Brussels Airlines in 2018
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018
If the OO-SFB isn't active at the moment, why can't it stay in BRU for when the one of the older is AOG untill it goes to DUS?
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018
Just saw OO-SNL scheduled for a flight this afternoon. How long has it been already in the fleet registry?
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018
Av24.be google search is your friendVic Diesel wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 11:10 Just saw OO-SNL scheduled for a flight this afternoon. How long has it been already in the fleet registry?
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018
Thanks! Ex-AB sounds indeed bad: dreadful seat pitch, somber interior colours. OS acquired a few of them as well (registered OE-LX*) and I already had the misfortune of flying on them... :/luchtzak wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 12:48Av24.be google search is your friendVic Diesel wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 11:10 Just saw OO-SNL scheduled for a flight this afternoon. How long has it been already in the fleet registry?
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Viktor
(Budapest-born, Vienna-raised, Brussels-based)
Viktor
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018
This is not the first ex-AB joining the fleetVic Diesel wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 15:16Thanks! Ex-AB sounds indeed bad: dreadful seat pitch, somber interior colours. OS acquired a few of them as well (registered OE-LX*) and I already had the misfortune of flying on them... :/luchtzak wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 12:48Av24.be google search is your friendVic Diesel wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 11:10 Just saw OO-SNL scheduled for a flight this afternoon. How long has it been already in the fleet registry?
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018
EW got many ex-AB aircraft, hence why not a couple for SN?
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018
OO-SFB has been repainted in EWG colours...
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018
That’s promising news I was afraid SN would get the EW business class (which is actually the current LH business class seat (bad 2-2-2 configuration and no all aisle access)) and LH, Swiss and Austrian the new LH 2020 business class seat. But it seems that SN will get it’s own design. While I am happy about that, it’s not very clever from a financial point of view...
Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018
Maybe a stupid question, but if they want to integrate SN in EW, why don't they give SN the same interior as EW? Now they wil have to change SN's interior again for the integration. Or is it a sign that they do not have plans for an integration into the low cost carrier?
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@lucas: that’s exactly why it is promising. It seems the SN product will be different, at least for the long haul. I really hope they will get an all aisle access business class, which is more and more becoming the industry norm. If they get the current LH seats it would be a downgrade from their current business class seats.
Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018
Oman Air’s window seats are almost like a private suite. On top of that, food and drinks are amongst the best of what one can find in bizz class.Ansett wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:18 I recently flew Oman Air's 787 in C class with full lie flat seats in a 2x2x2 configuration with a clever aisle access for the two window seats. I found this more pleasant than the 1x2x1 or even 1x1x1 configurations where seats are positioned at an angle where sometimes you are turning away from the windows. I would love SN to have opted for the Oman Air «solution».
The good news is of course that apparently they will have a different (I presume better) long haul C class than EW.
Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018
The current SN business class is not all aisle access. I guess you need a "spikes" layout for that. Good fo sleeping and access; little outside view however.babolat-blast wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 21:37 @lucas: that’s exactly why it is promising. It seems the SN product will be different, at least for the long haul. I really hope they will get an all aisle access business class, which is more and more becoming the industry norm. If they get the current LH seats it would be a downgrade from their current business class seats.
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018
True, but a decent numbers of seats offer aisle access. That’s not the case in the LH seats. With SN there are some window seats with aisle access, LH doesn’t have any. That’s why I think the SN seats are superior than the current LH seats.convair wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:31The current SN business class is not all aisle access. I guess you need a "spikes" layout for that. Good fo sleeping and access; little outside view however.babolat-blast wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 21:37 @lucas: that’s exactly why it is promising. It seems the SN product will be different, at least for the long haul. I really hope they will get an all aisle access business class, which is more and more becoming the industry norm. If they get the current LH seats it would be a downgrade from their current business class seats.
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018
I hope they finally introduce WiFi...
Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018
Lufthansa Group will complete a review of options by end 2018 for integrating Brussels Airlines and Eurowings, with a focus on how the operations and commercial strategies of the two airlines could be combined.
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018
To me, the right question is not how to integrate but does it make sense to integrate.
I don't want to appear too optimistic here and I remain very doubtful about SN's future within the LH group. However, the performance of EW might be the key: It seems they doing fine, at least in terms of growth; this could enable Carsten Spohr to look at the matter in a more serene and objective manner. He could realize that there is not much in common between SN and EW, and with the rest of the LH group for that matter.
1. SN is the only non-german (speaking) company; this might not be of utmost importance, but still is a factor when you're looking at a full integration;
2. EW is mostly leisure oriented, SN is (or was until the TC integration) more business (I have no figure to prove that but it seems obvious);
3. EW in truly point-to-point; SN has a substantial number of transfer pax, especially for its l/h flights;
4. SN needs to keep its l/h operations, otherwise Belgians (and others in the BRU catchment area) will look for alternate solutions, probably through LHR, CDG and AMS rather than FRA or DUS.
But if SN is itching CS to the point that he definitely needs to do something about it, the least bad option, imho, would be to integrate only SN's truly leisure flights (i.e. the ex-TC + the former charter operations) within his baby EW.
Or, best of all, leave it as it is and give it his full support in its development.
[BTW, the airline that is the most similar (or least different) to SN in the group, besides the german language of course, seems to be OS, imho.]
Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018
In my opinion, Brussels Airlines should be split in 2, keep the business and long haul market under the Brussels Airlines brand, (or any other stronger brand, because let's be honest, marketing wise the name Brussels Airlines is not very "strong", look at Air Belgium, they just started, and everybody knows their name!)
Then I would eventually paint a couple of A320 into Eurowings Belgium or whatsoever for the leisure purpose only, and why not base one of those A320 in LGG and OST to serve the busiest holiday destination (PMI, TFS, LPA, AGP, HER, NCE, etc...)
This way of working is the one of Swiss actually with their holiday brand Edelweiss
Then I would eventually paint a couple of A320 into Eurowings Belgium or whatsoever for the leisure purpose only, and why not base one of those A320 in LGG and OST to serve the busiest holiday destination (PMI, TFS, LPA, AGP, HER, NCE, etc...)
This way of working is the one of Swiss actually with their holiday brand Edelweiss