Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

[Atlantis]

Interesting article on Luchtvaartnieuws today. SN would like to receive more A320neo's in the future.
They are also looking for the replacement of the A330. The A330neo and B787-9 are in the picture. The A330neo is however not in the current LH group fleet. More chance for the B787-9 I think

I would like to have 10 million euro some day, but it's not likely I will..

I understand but is it not high time to change the very pessimistic Belgian mindset? We can see here a lot of complaining, but when the CEO finally is willing to fight for new planes bcs the company is doing better, it's again not good.

Decide what you want. Still flying second hand or having finally something new?

[Lux_avi]

I understand but is it not high time to change the very pessimistic Belgian mindset? We can see here a lot of complaining, but when the CEO finally is willing to fight for new planes bcs the company is doing better, it's again not good.

Decide what you want. Still flying second hand or having finally something new?

Who said it's not good?
Only questions about whether it is realistic or not... for now.

[Atlantis]

I understand but is it not high time to change the very pessimistic Belgian mindset? We can see here a lot of complaining, but when the CEO finally is willing to fight for new planes bcs the company is doing better, it's again not good.

Decide what you want. Still flying second hand or having finally something new?

Who said it's not good?
Only questions about whether it is realistic or not... for now.

Somehow and anyway in some time the long haul fleet has to be replaced. On a certain moment there will be no A330 anymore to be transferred within the group.

The same for the A319 and A320 who starts to be old. But still there is a lot available within the group.

But like I wrote months ago, why SN has to be treated as a secondary airline? They also deserve to have newer aircraft.

[Lux_avi]

Somehow and anyway in some time the long haul fleet has to be replaced. On a certain moment there will be no A330 anymore to be transferred within the group.

The same for the A319 and A320 who starts to be old. But still there is a lot available within the group.

But like I wrote months ago, why SN has to be treated as a secondary airline? They also deserve to have newer aircraft.

Completely agree!

[rwandan-flyer]

Interesting article on Luchtvaartnieuws today. SN would like to receive more A320neo's in the future.
They are also looking for the replacement of the A330. The A330neo and B787-9 are in the picture. The A330neo is however not in the current LH group fleet. More chance for the B787-9 I think

I would like to have 10 million euro some day, but it's not likely I will..

I understand but is it not high time to change the very pessimistic Belgian mindset? We can see here a lot of complaining, but when the CEO finally is willing to fight for new planes bcs the company is doing better, it's again not good.

Decide what you want. Still flying second hand or having finally something new?

That's why it's important to put your source to avoid confusions for the others members.

Currently no decision to upgrade the fleet in the short term, but desicions will come later to know which airlines could receive new aircraft. It usally happens about 12 to 18 months before the delivery.

Lufthansa has over 200 aircraft in order + dozens and dozens aircraft in option. Deliveries will take long time.

The last 787-9 should be join the group in....2028. 2030 if we include options...

D- B.787‑9 (RR) RR Trent 1000 2028 PAE Lufthansa 2028 (Planned) On order
D- B.787‑9 (RR) RR Trent 1000 2030 PAE Lufthansa 2030 (Planned) On order (conditional) https://www.aerotransport.org/php/go.ph ... l=0&page=1

Last A320Neo ( 2026)
D- A320‑271N PW PW1127G-JM 2026 TLS Lufthansa 2026 (Planned) On order https://www.aerotransport.org/php/go.ph ... l=0&page=2

And it's not an A33Neo or 787 in the picture, but a A330Ceo

In November 2023, the first Airbus A320neo landed at Brussels Airport, followed by a second one in December. Three more will follow this year. The five A320neos in total are the only achievement for the time being when it comes to fleet renewal; There are no concrete plans to add more aircraft to the fleet at the time of writing.

“At a later stage it will be determined for which of the airlines under the umbrella of the Lufthansa Group they are intended. This usually happens about 12 to 18 months before they are delivered.”

So is there a chance that Brussels Airlines will receive more A320neos in the future? “We would like that. So it is not yet clear if and when that will happen.”

https://www-luchtvaartnieuws-nl.transla ... r_pto=wapp

[Atlantis]

I would like to have 10 million euro some day, but it's not likely I will..

I understand but is it not high time to change the very pessimistic Belgian mindset? We can see here a lot of complaining, but when the CEO finally is willing to fight for new planes bcs the company is doing better, it's again not good.

Decide what you want. Still flying second hand or having finally something new?

That's why it's important to put your source to avoid confusions for the others members.

Currently no decision to upgrade the fleet, but desicions will come later to know which airlines could receive new aircraft. It usally happens about 12 to 18 months before the delivery.

Lufthansa has over 200 aircraft in order + dozens and dozens aircraft in option. Deliveries will take long time.

The last 787-9 should be join the group in....2028. 2030 if we include options...

D- B.787‑9 (RR) RR Trent 1000 2028 PAE Lufthansa 2028 (Planned) On order
D- B.787‑9 (RR) RR Trent 1000 2030 PAE Lufthansa 2030 (Planned) On order (conditional) https://www.aerotransport.org/php/go.ph ... l=0&page=1

Last A320Neo ( 2026)
D- A320‑271N PW PW1127G-JM 2026 TLS Lufthansa 2026 (Planned) On order https://www.aerotransport.org/php/go.ph ... l=0&page=2

And it's not an A33Neo or 787 in the picture, but a A330Ceo

In November 2023, the first Airbus A320neo landed at Brussels Airport, followed by a second one in December. Three more will follow this year. The five A320neos in total are the only achievement for the time being when it comes to fleet renewal; There are no concrete plans to add more aircraft to the fleet at the time of writing.

“At a later stage it will be determined for which of the airlines under the umbrella of the Lufthansa Group they are intended. This usually happens about 12 to 18 months before they are delivered.”

So is there a chance that Brussels Airlines will receive more A320neos in the future? “We would like that. So it is not yet clear if and when that will happen.”

https://www-luchtvaartnieuws-nl.transla ... r_pto=wapp

I have mentioned the source in the first post about that topic: Luchtvaartnieuws. So, what's the confusion?

[luchtzak]

OO-SFJ Stranded in Dakar since 20-02 ?

Looks like it.

An engine issue.

[luchtzak]

OO-SFJ Stranded in Dakar since 20-02 ?

Looks like it.

An engine issue.

Trust reverser fixed! Scheduled to ferry back to BRU this afternoon.

[oldblueeyes]

I understand but is it not high time to change the very pessimistic Belgian mindset? We can see here a lot of complaining, but when the CEO finally is willing to fight for new planes bcs the company is doing better, it's again not good.

Decide what you want. Still flying second hand or having finally something new?

Who said it's not good?
Only questions about whether it is realistic or not... for now.

Somehow and anyway in some time the long haul fleet has to be replaced. On a certain moment there will be no A330 anymore to be transferred within the group.

The same for the A319 and A320 who starts to be old. But still there is a lot available within the group.

But like I wrote months ago, why SN has to be treated as a secondary airline? They also deserve to have newer aircraft.

"Deserve" is bullshit. It's a business.
Big names like Delta were not afraid of buying large subfleets of used aircraft, even commercially unpopular models such as the 717. Why? Because the combination of leases, operating cost and yields made them a good economic case.
Unlikely eg Norwegian Long Haul and many others, who collapsed with fancy brand new aircraft.

The bread and butter business of Brussels is the short haul and the clear plan there is to harmonize the fleet to all A320 size with as many NEO's as possible.

But if you want to grow short term, this won't go outside used aircraft, simply because the öarge waves of long haul planes to be delivered in the coming years are eating the largest chuck of investment resources of the group.

[JOVAN2]

Who said it's not good?
Only questions about whether it is realistic or not... for now.

Somehow and anyway in some time the long haul fleet has to be replaced. On a certain moment there will be no A330 anymore to be transferred within the group.

The same for the A319 and A320 who starts to be old. But still there is a lot available within the group.

But like I wrote months ago, why SN has to be treated as a secondary airline? They also deserve to have newer aircraft.

"Deserve" is bullshit. It's a business.
Big names like Delta were not afraid of buying large subfleets of used aircraft, even commercially unpopular models such as the 717. Why? Because the combination of leases, operating cost and yields made them a good economic case.
Unlikely eg Norwegian Long Haul and many others, who collapsed with fancy brand new aircraft.

The bread and butter business of Brussels is the short haul and the clear plan there is to harmonize the fleet to all A320 size with as many NEO's as possible.

But if you want to grow short term, this won't go outside used aircraft, simply because the öarge waves of long haul planes to be delivered in the coming years are eating the largest chuck of investment resources of the group.

Who said it's not good?
Only questions about whether it is realistic or not... for now.

Somehow and anyway in some time the long haul fleet has to be replaced. On a certain moment there will be no A330 anymore to be transferred within the group.

The same for the A319 and A320 who starts to be old. But still there is a lot available within the group.

But like I wrote months ago, why SN has to be treated as a secondary airline? They also deserve to have newer aircraft.

"Deserve" is bullshit. It's a business.
Big names like Delta were not afraid of buying large subfleets of used aircraft, even commercially unpopular models such as the 717. Why? Because the combination of leases, operating cost and yields made them a good economic case.
Unlikely eg Norwegian Long Haul and many others, who collapsed with fancy brand new aircraft.

The bread and butter business of Brussels is the short haul and the clear plan there is to harmonize the fleet to all A320 size with as many NEO's as possible.

But if you want to grow short term, this won't go outside used aircraft, simply because the öarge waves of long haul planes to be delivered in the coming years are eating the largest chuck of investment resources of the group.

Short haul is bread and
butter for SN.
So how come they drop Bordeaux, Billund, Birmingham etc etc and reduce frequencies to CPJ etc etc.
Very inconsistent business modell.

[oldblueeyes]

Simply.
Focus is everything that fits into a A320 size.
P2P Model.

[JOVAN2]

Simply.
Focus is everything that fits into a A320 size.
P2P Model.

Haha.
It means dropping the business PAX and go in full competition with Ryanair &Wizz ????

And this with strikes and strikes because pilots, crews, etc are exhausted and run away???

This is not a strategy, this is panic-football.

[oldblueeyes]

Well, this is the company has.
There was a good reason in the idea of integrating it into Eurowings.
Now you keep the brand and the emotion, but execute the product.
Brussels is a Eurowings but some little end of the tail attractive Africa long haul.

[longwings]

But the A330 fleet is relatively young they still can fly more than 10 years with Brussels Airlines is it not the perfect material for the flights to Africa?

The oldest aircraft in the fleet must be 4 or 5 years away from the next multi-million € 12-year check. Now is not a bad time to start thinking about whether to go through with the expense or replace them.... and replace them with what?

Different airlines plan at different times, but this seems about right. The airline I am most familiar with generally decides 3-4 years out whether to put a widebody through (assuming reasonably accurate market forecasts) or replace it, so the aircraft's flying program can be adjusted accordingly (e.g. fly shorter flights if needed to extend its lifeline somewhat while waiting for delivery of a replacement).

[oldblueeyes]

The oldest A330 in the fleet are ex LH from 2005.
As the current 343 are up to 27 years, the oldest 767 at Austrian were flying until their 30th and the 772 still planning to fly few more years it is likely to see the current and future 333 of SN due for replacement in a wave approx 2030-35.
No need for earlier replacement and no resources as the 319 have to be replaced before.

What comes than, let's see, it is to early to speculate - could be both B789 as at that time there would be enough used ones in the market, or 333 NEO's used as well etc.

Decision should be taken around 2028.

What is know today is pretty simple:
- there are 19 non allocated A359 - likely they would complete the first A359 at Swiss and free up 14xA333
- there are 29 B789 in the pipeline for LH, replacing 17x343 and 9-10xA333 ( with Austrian in need for additional 4-5pieces)
- Discover would need to start their wave earlier, around 2028, due to older fleet

[crew1990]

OO-SBC coming home straight from the factory today.

[sn26567]

OO-SBC coming home straight from the factory today.

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... ort-today/

[DannyVDB]

Dear all,

I just saw that D-AIKG (645) that will join the SN fleet left on 28/02 for Guangzhou with flight number LH9922.

Anyone knows what will be done there: maintenance, repaint, new interior ... ? Or will the plane start flying in LH colours

Anyone knows when the plane is expected to land in Brussels?

Cheers,
Danny

[Miqvell]

What seems to be OO-SBD was spotted on March 1st



Credit : @Nimrod57

[crew1990]

Dear all,

I just saw that D-AIKG (645) that will join the SN fleet left on 28/02 for Guangzhou with flight number LH9922.

Anyone knows what will be done there: maintenance, repaint, new interior ... ? Or will the plane start flying in LH colours

Anyone knows when the plane is expected to land in Brussels?

Cheers,
Danny

Maintenance, regarding the livery, it should be at first à kind of hybrid LH/SN. Concerning the interior it will keep the actual cabin for the the time beeing.