Again problems with Jetairfly's OO-TUC ?

[DaPoels]

Again, the famous Boeing 767 of Jetairfly has a problem.

The flight JAF103 departing from Brussels with destination Punta Cana and Puerto Plata has been cancelled.

The flight should have left Belgium this morning at 06:05.
First the flight was delayed by +/- 12 hours and set with departure-time at 18:00...I just checked biac.be and it seems flight has been cancelled.

Again, Jetair and TUI-Belgium are presented as not professional and incompetent !

[Airbus330lover]

Again, the famous Boeing 767 of Jetairfly has a problem.

The flight JAF103 departing from Brussels with destination Punta Cana and Puerto Plata has been cancelled.

The flight should have left Belgium this morning at 06:05.
First the flight was delayed by +/- 12 hours and set with departure-time at 18:00...I just checked biac.be and it seems flight has been cancelled.

Again, Jetair and TUI-Belgium are presented as not professional and incompetent !

New flight planned on 4 september BRU MOJAVE without pax of course

[Outsync]

Any ideas on what is wrong now ?

[DaPoels]

Nobody with news about this ?
Some interesting news from the JAF-flyers or other Jetair-insiders ?

[Robin_Bamps]

Now STD 10:30 on 04/09 to PUJ/POP.

Regards, Robin Bamps.

[JAF 23]

I've been told today that it isn't a technical problem, but the hurricanes and storms over there.

[Andries]

Again, the famous Boeing 767 of Jetairfly has a problem.

...

Again, Jetair and TUI-Belgium are presented as not professional and
incompetent !

I've been told today that it isn't a technical problem, but the hurricanes and storms over there.

These days people just judge to quickly without viewing the full picture. OO-TUC gets delayed so it definitly is a technical problem ...

by the way, 1 questionmark in the topictitle was more than enough !

Greetz,

Andries

[LX-LGX]

Maybe this can help to find out what's the real cause:

arr Sat 01/09 : JAF602 from Punta Cana/Varadero: ETA 06h30, was delayed till 15h18

dep Sat 01/09 : JAF601 to Cancun/Montego Bay: ETD 12h15, departed at 20h19

arr Sun 02/09 : JAF602 from Cancun/Montego Bay: ETA 21h35 (Sun), delayed till 07h35 (Mon) (don't know when it arrived)

dep Mon 03/09 : JAF103 to Punta Cana / Puerto Plata: ETD 06h05, delayed till 17h45, now cancelled?

[JAF 23]

Maybe this can help to find out what's the real cause:

arr Sat 01/09 : JAF602 from Punta Cana/Varadero: ETA 06h30, was delayed till 15h18

dep Sat 01/09 : JAF601 to Cancun/Montego Bay: ETD 12h15, departed at 20h19

arr Sun 02/09 : JAF602 from Cancun/Montego Bay: ETA 21h35 (Sun), delayed till 07h35 (Mon) (don't know when it arrived)

dep Mon 03/09 : JAF103 to Punta Cana / Puerto Plata: ETD 06h05, delayed till 17h45, now cancelled?

I know saturday there was a technical problem with the fire detection systems on board, but that was fixed.

[EBBR_Based]

Again, Jetair and TUI-Belgium are presented as not professional and incompetent !

No offence mate, but you clearly miss a lot of common sense.

1) you don't have a clue on the reason of the delay
2) OO-TUC most probably doesn't have more downtime compared to other B763s, the problem is that those delays are very 'visible' if you have only one aircraft in your fleet to operate longhaul flights
3) like it or not, but every aircraft suffers from technical problems. Even a very minor issue can lead to delays of up to 24hrs. This has nothing to do with bad maintenance, not being professional, etc etc.

Please make an effort to avoid this kind of accusations in the future.

[fcw]

I've been told today that it isn't a technical problem, but the hurricanes and storms over there.

METAR: MDPP 031800Z 09012KT 9999 FEW018 31/24 Q1014

long-TAF: MDPP 031600Z 031818 09010KT 9999 FEW018CB SCT020
BECMG 0002 VRB03KT


METAR: MDPC 031800Z 09012KT 9999 FEW025 31/25 Q1014

long-TAF: MDPC 031600Z 031818 09012KT 9999 FEW018CB SCT020 BKN300 BECMG 0103 08007KT



Not really bad weather...

[LX-LGX]

Maybe this can help to find out what's the real cause:

arr Sat 01/09 : JAF602 from Punta Cana/Varadero: ETA 06h30, was delayed till 15h18

dep Sat 01/09 : JAF601 to Cancun/Montego Bay: ETD 12h15, departed at 20h19

arr Sun 02/09 : JAF602 from Cancun/Montego Bay: ETA 21h35 (Sun), delayed till 07h35 (Mon) (don't know when it arrived)

dep Mon 03/09 : JAF103 to Punta Cana / Puerto Plata: ETD 06h05, delayed till 17h45, now cancelled?

new : BRU now mentions one 767 is coming in on Tue 04/09 at 10h33, coming from Cancun and Montego Bay as JAF602

[DaPoels]

Again, Jetair and TUI-Belgium are presented as not professional and incompetent !

No offence mate, but you clearly miss a lot of common sense.

1) you don't have a clue on the reason of the delay
2) OO-TUC most probably doesn't have more downtime compared to other B763s, the problem is that those delays are very 'visible' if you have only one aircraft in your fleet to operate longhaul flights
3) like it or not, but every aircraft suffers from technical problems. Even a very minor issue can lead to delays of up to 24hrs. This has nothing to do with bad maintenance, not being professional, etc etc.

Please make an effort to avoid this kind of accusations in the future.

No offence taken
But...

1) That's why I asked also the question what's wrong this time

2) Indeed with only 1 aircraft they are more visible. I don't wan't to start a topic if flying with only 1 plane on longhaule is advisible...but I'm convinced a solution should be found (sometimes diffucult ones fot TUI, financial based I mean) to have pax transferred from one side of the world to another.

3) I stays with my original toughts about their professionalism. This because I already encounterd myself their lack of responsability. I was one of the passengers who was "lodged" on the military base of Goose Bay, 2 years ago. I'm convinced that putting the plane on the ground there was necesarry so no blame for the pilot for that. My point of their lack of "professionalism" finds his origin in te fact we stayed over there 27 hours without any information, even without seeing the crew who were the only official representatives of TUI present at that moment. Over 200 pax were left without any kind of information. We were forced to collect the info ourselves from the Canadian technicians working on the plane !!....sorry but don't tell me this is a "normal" way of acting !!


For JAF23.... I don't think weather is the clue for this delay...Yes there are tropical storms active but I don't think that's the reason...There were other flight arriving today at the Domenican Republic.

Additional question :
Normal flightplan for OO-TUC tommorrow is Varadero/Cancun.
I see now that OO-TUC is planned for a flight to PUJ/POP...what happens with the pax for Varadero/Cancun ?

[LX-LGX]

just a recap: seems OO-TUC is coming home to BRU at this very moment

arr Tue 04/09 at 10h33: JAF602, coming from Cancun and Montego Bay, 767

dep Tue 04/09 at 10h30: JAF103 to Puerto Plata and Punta Cana, 767

(source: BRU)

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(trust Jetair or Jetairfly will amend this dep at 10h30 into 12h30 - unless they've found another 767 for Tuesday)

[rut-her]

I've been told today that it isn't a technical problem, but the hurricanes and storms over there.

METAR: MDPP 031800Z 09012KT 9999 FEW018 31/24 Q1014

long-TAF: MDPP 031600Z 031818 09010KT 9999 FEW018CB SCT020
BECMG 0002 VRB03KT


METAR: MDPC 031800Z 09012KT 9999 FEW025 31/25 Q1014

long-TAF: MDPC 031600Z 031818 09012KT 9999 FEW018CB SCT020 BKN300 BECMG 0103 08007KT



Not really bad weather...

Somebody to translate this to english?

Greetz,
Rutger

[Robin_Bamps]

I've been told today that it isn't a technical problem, but the hurricanes and storms over there.

METAR: MDPP 031800Z 09012KT 9999 FEW018 31/24 Q1014

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Location: MDPP (Puerto Plata)
Day of month: 03
Time: 18:00 UTC
Wind: True direction = 090 degrees, Speed: 12 knots
Visibility: 10 km or more
Clouds: A few , at 1800 feet above aerodrome level
Temperature: 31 degrees Celsius
Dewpoint: 24 degrees Celsius
QNH (Sea-level pressure): 1014 hPa

long-TAF: MDPP 031600Z 031818 09010KT 9999 FEW018CB SCT020
BECMG 0002 VRB03KT

=

Location: MDPP (Puerto Plata)
Day of month: 03
Time: 16:00 UTC
Wind: True direction = 090 degrees, Speed: 10 knots
Visibility: 10 km or more
Clouds: A few , at 1800 feet above aerodrome level, cumulonimbus
Clouds: Scattered , at 2000 feet above aerodrome level
Next token has 0 length
The following weather phenomena are expected to arise soon:
Visibility: 2 m
Wind: Variable in direction, Speed: 3 knots

METAR: MDPC 031800Z 09012KT 9999 FEW025 31/25 Q1014

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Location: MDPC (Punta Cana)
Day of month: 03
Time: 18:00 UTC
Wind: True direction = 090 degrees, Speed: 12 knots
Visibility: 10 km or more
Clouds: A few , at 2500 feet above aerodrome level
Temperature: 31 degrees Celsius
Dewpoint: 25 degrees Celsius
QNH (Sea-level pressure): 1014 hPa

long-TAF: MDPC 031600Z 031818 09012KT 9999 FEW018CB SCT020 BKN300 BECMG 0103 08007KT

=

Location: MDPC (Punta Cana)
Day of month: 03
Time: 16:00 UTC
Wind: True direction = 090 degrees, Speed: 12 knots
Visibility: 10 km or more
Clouds: A few , at 1800 feet above aerodrome level, cumulonimbus
Clouds: Scattered , at 2000 feet above aerodrome level
Clouds: Broken sky , at 30000 feet above aerodrome level
The following weather phenomena are expected to arise soon:
Visibility: 103 m
Wind: True direction = 080 degrees, Speed: 7 knots

Not really bad weather...

Somebody to translate this to english?

Greetz,
Rutger

Via : http://heras-gilsanz.com/manuel/METAR-Decoder.html

Regards, Robin Bamps.

[Flybe]

http://www.hln.be/hln/alg/pag/hln_index ... onItemId=2

(sorry, only in Dutch, basically saying that it went technical, that the spare piece had some difficulties being cleared at customs, and that no replacement aircraft was found)

It seems it was a technical problem afterall. Question is now: what was the problem?

Greets,

Pieter

[LX-LGX]

Hi all,

The guys from BRU flight information have a busy evening: it's once again time for another schedule update - new one in red:

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arr Tue 04/09 at 10h33: JAF602, coming from Cancun and Montego Bay, 767
arr Tue 04/09 at 12h03: JAF602, coming from Cancun and Montego Bay, 767

(adjusted, based on info from BRU on or before Mon 23h44)

- - -

dep Tue 04/09 at 10h30: JAF103 to Puerto Plata and Punta Cana, 767
dep Tue 04/09 at 15h00: JAF103 to Puerto Plata and Punta Cana, 767

(adjusted, based on info from BRU on or before Mon 23h44)

[FLY4HOURS.BE]

Somebody to translate this to english?

Beach holiday weather. Can't be better.

[LX-LGX]

Trust this site / this topic is also being visited by relatives from the stranded pax, waiting for them since Sunday. Don't worry: the children prefer the tropical Mexican/Jamaican beach to the school banks! And Jetair will give them a note upon arrival why they have missed the first 2 days of their new school year.

update: the arrival time has just been amended from a certain 12h03 into a rather indicational 14h40. So please visit this site (or brusselsairport.be) every now and then to find out about the latest flight information.

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Do we really believe what Jetair is saying in that newspaper story, that there was no other plane available? In the whole international TUI-fleet?? And do we really believe that the exchange part was blocked by customs, therefore causing another delay? No: it was cheaper to book them in an excellent (but cheap) tropical 5-star-hotel, rather then sending out a spare plane to bring them home.