Well, you guys (m/f) made me wonder if OO-SCW is operated by Brussels Airlines or by Eurowings. So I've asked it politely to the Belgian registry, and OO-SCW is Brussels Airlines indeed.
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Well, you guys (m/f) made me wonder if OO-SCW is operated by Brussels Airlines or by Eurowings. So I've asked it politely to the Belgian registry, and OO-SCW is Brussels Airlines indeed.
So you both agree that the 4 Sukhoi's are real "Brussels Airlines" aircraft?
Since when is that a criteria? Because of the name (well then Air Berlin was very much anti-Air Berlin by having bases throughout Germany, PMI, etc.) or because of sentiment? ...
Some very clever public servants at the European Institutions and unfallible impeccible indefictable members of the European Parliament have decided this for us. In the definitions in EU Rule 261/2004, they have decided:
Passenger wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 18:31Some very clever public servants at the European Institutions and unfallible impeccible indefictable members of the European Parliament have decided this for us. In the definitions in EU Rule 261/2004, they have decided:
(a) "air carrier" means an air transport undertaking with a valid operating licence;
(b) "operating air carrier" means an air carrier that performs or intends to perform a flight under a contract with a passenger or on behalf of another person, legal or natural, having a contract with that passenger;
(c) "Community carrier" means an air carrier with a valid operating licence granted by a Member State in accordance with the provisions of Council Regulation (EEC) No 2407/92 of 23 July 1992 on licensing of air carriers(5);
All correct, but please use the same logic when talking about the SSJs.
By the way, the only reason for the setup is social dumping, just like builders use Polish subcontractors.
All correct, but please apply the same logic to the SSJs.
The real reason of the whole setup is social dumping, just like builders use Polish subcontractors.
OO-SCW thus is a Belgian aircraft, with Belgian carrier Brussels Airlines nv/sa acting as operating air carrier for Eurowings.
Very wise comments, RoMax, but there obviously exists a great frustration coming from what many of us here consider a number of opportunities missed by the LH group over the last few years.RoMax wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 13:25 For the BRU long haul operations. I see a lot of comments about "without expanding the fleet"...seriously let's all believe the words read in the media, do we? No there is no long haul fleet expansion this year, but nothing has been said about the future. Just like with every investment it has to be built on a proper business case which will or will not be approved at due time. BRU will remain connected to North America and Asia as long as those routes prove to be financially sustainable. Or does everyone think here that if SN doesn't operate those routes, all those people would just transfer through Germany/Switserland/Austria? I would think most here are smart enough to realize that this market will be taken over simply by other airlines and LH will not get more or less of that share than anyone else with good connections (and those with direct alternatives like for NYC and IAD are in the lead for the local market). Where do you think the preference is for LHG: having a market leading daughter company operating these routes or getting a small share of the market via transfer feeding to the congested core hubs of the group? Even before the full take-over LH had the opportunity to block the launch of routes like JFK, IAD, YYZ and BOM (without support from LH, those investments would have never made it and especially JFK in 2012 absolutely impossible), yet they were in favor of them, why do you think that is... But of course, it has to pay off and that's where some improvements are needed for some of these routes vs. the performance in 2017.
But why is SN so badly known in Germany? Because LH decided to monopolise the routes from BRU to its main bases FRA and MUC. The former SN (Sabena) was flying to those airports and was well known there.
No André, a few flights to FRA and MUC don't bring brand knowledge to the German market (and anyway, the German market split of SN to non-hub destinations and LH on FRA/MUC was jointly decided at a time when SN could have perfectly blocked the decision if they wanted to - even if that would have meant upsetting the new investors at that time). It's just a simple fact that small airlines are hardly known outside their home market(s) and secondary or core markets (like much of Africa for SN, parts of Asia for Finnair, Brazil for TAP, etc. ). You can throw a lot of money behind that and fly anywhere anytime, but in the end the truth is that it will likely not pay off as you expect. It's not because we aviation enthusiasts can name the top 50 of EU airlines and likely guess much of the order in size correctly, that the general public can. If you ask the average European to name the airlines they know out of their head (besides their home carrier(s)) and they come to Ryanair, easyJet, Lufthansa, British Airways, Air France and depending on where they live SAS, KLM, Iberia, WizzAir and Alitalia, it will already be a lot (of course a few more here and there, but the 'common list' is very limited).
It's a good point, even if the sharing on FRA and MUC wouldn't have changed very much to the perception of SN in Germany.
SN and OS also work nicely together on the Brussels-Vienna route. Sounds like mummy Lufty is a bit selfishconvair wrote: ↑25 Mar 2018, 19:03It's a good point, even if the sharing on FRA and MUC wouldn't have changed very much to the perception of SN in Germany.
But I never understood why they split the destinations that way i.s.o. code-sharing on all. They do the same with Swiss on Zurich and Geneva. Code-sharing on all destinations would allow each company to spare on overnighting.
The yield is excellent. It's a combination of feeder flights and business travel. Actually, these two destinations were worth it for Lufthansa to buy Brussels Airlines - and eliminate competition on the two routes. I wonder why no other carrier stepped in to replace Brussels Airlines and to compete against Lufthansa.skumfiduse wrote: ↑25 Mar 2018, 21:10From a hub-point of view, yes she is. Don't know about passengers or revenue, though.
What carrier could make it work like LH? I.e. feeder flights and business travel. Wasn't it Transavia having plans for Brussels-Munich? I think they announced it to start summer 2016, but the service never got materialised.Passenger wrote: ↑25 Mar 2018, 22:11The yield is excellent. It's a combination of feeder flights and business travel. Actually, these two destinations were worth it for Lufthansa to buy Brussels Airlines - and eliminate competition on the two routes. I wonder why no other carrier stepped in to replace Brussels Airlines and to compete against Lufthansa.skumfiduse wrote: ↑25 Mar 2018, 21:10From a hub-point of view, yes she is. Don't know about passengers or revenue, though.
How about Ryanair? They already fly at BRU and FRA... They are probably (well) known in Germany. If they can keep their fares around the price of the train tickets, you can snap the persons from there: there would be a very limited price difference and you are about two hours faster in FRA than with the train...skumfiduse wrote: ↑25 Mar 2018, 22:25What carrier could make it work like LH? I.e. feeder flights and business travel. Wasn't it Transavia having plans for Brussels-Munich? I think they announced it to start summer 2016, but the service never got materialised.Passenger wrote: ↑25 Mar 2018, 22:11The yield is excellent. It's a combination of feeder flights and business travel. Actually, these two destinations were worth it for Lufthansa to buy Brussels Airlines - and eliminate competition on the two routes. I wonder why no other carrier stepped in to replace Brussels Airlines and to compete against Lufthansa.skumfiduse wrote: ↑25 Mar 2018, 21:10
From a hub-point of view, yes she is. Don't know about passengers or revenue, though.
1. Probably not true if you go from center to center;Yuqu12 wrote: ↑27 Mar 2018, 13:42How about Ryanair? They already fly at BRU and FRA... They are probably (well) known in Germany. If they can keep their fares around the price of the train tickets, you can snap the persons from there: there would be a very limited price difference and you are about two hours faster in FRA than with the train...skumfiduse wrote: ↑25 Mar 2018, 22:25What carrier could make it work like LH? I.e. feeder flights and business travel. Wasn't it Transavia having plans for Brussels-Munich? I think they announced it to start summer 2016, but the service never got materialised.Passenger wrote: ↑25 Mar 2018, 22:11
The yield is excellent. It's a combination of feeder flights and business travel. Actually, these two destinations were worth it for Lufthansa to buy Brussels Airlines - and eliminate competition on the two routes. I wonder why no other carrier stepped in to replace Brussels Airlines and to compete against Lufthansa.