On the other hand it not crowded around,not much population on the two ends of the runway.
So normally it should no problem to make it an alternative to Schiphol.
Amsterdam flights capped; some cargo operators compelled to move elsewhere
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Re: Amsterdam flights capped; some cargo operators compelled to move elsewhere
Hasta la victoria siempre.
Re: Amsterdam flights capped; some cargo operators compelled to move elsewhere
Airlines are still looking for logistic gateways and hubs, not a runway. Otherwise there would be enough alternatives with Ostend, Maastricht, Liege, Vatry, Hahn, ... Except for integrators and some specific operations or alternate for the main hubs, they all still struggle to get the carriers in. They Still prefer to go to AMS, FRA, MUC, MXP and even BRU.
Look how carriers flight to stay in AMS. There will be a day where freighters will no longer have that much choice and are force to go to these airports, but when? The same was said already 15 years ago...
Look how carriers flight to stay in AMS. There will be a day where freighters will no longer have that much choice and are force to go to these airports, but when? The same was said already 15 years ago...
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Good summary. ..
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Re: Amsterdam flights capped; some cargo operators compelled to move elsewhere
I understand that ,but there is a small difference here some airlines don't use the hubs.BRU wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 14:28 Airlines are still looking for logistic gateways and hubs, not a runway. Otherwise there would be enough alternatives with Ostend, Maastricht, Liege, Vatry, Hahn, ... Except for integrators and some specific operations or alternate for the main hubs, they all still struggle to get the carriers in. They Still prefer to go to AMS, FRA, MUC, MXP and even BRU.
Look how carriers flight to stay in AMS. There will be a day where freighters will no longer have that much choice and are force to go to these airports, but when? The same was said already 15 years ago...
But they need a destination,and here you have a BIG touristic destination that can be free and cheaper to fly to.
And also quite close,closer than Charleroi,Beauvais,Hanh etc....
So it will absorb a part of the AMS traffic anyway!
Hasta la victoria siempre.
Re: Amsterdam flights capped; some cargo operators compelled to move elsewhere
With congested airports like AMS, there is a conflict of interest between passengers flights and cargo flights. Cargo at AMS = 3% of the movements, 20% of employment, but almost 0% additional revenu for the airport (like parking fees, adverts, a percentage on shopping).
Re: Amsterdam flights capped; some cargo operators compelled to move elsewhere
Because it isn't a 2-3 hour truck drive due to the congestion on the roads. However, primary reason is that they've invested in AMS (it's where they have their infrastructure).
The issue is that the cargo airlines don't arrive on their slotted times. The slotcoordinator isn't part of the government and when the other airlines rejected the "local rule" there was no way she could treat the cargo airlines differently than all the others. If we have to blame someone it should be the LCCs whice ensured the "local rule" wasn't accepted (AMS and KLM didn't vote at all).Passenger wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 18:46 With congested airports like AMS, there is a conflict of interest between passengers flights and cargo flights. Cargo at AMS = 3% of the movements, 20% of employment, but almost 0% additional revenu for the airport (like parking fees, adverts, a percentage on shopping).
Re: Amsterdam flights capped; some cargo operators compelled to move elsewhere
ABC is still flying to LGG today. AMS also.
Could be like qatar: split hub.
Could be like qatar: split hub.
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Re: Amsterdam flights capped; some cargo operators compelled to move elsewhere
Apparently ABC would get all of its slots back at Schiphol:
http://www.nieuwsbladtransport.nl/Nieuw ... /Anonymous
http://www.nieuwsbladtransport.nl/Nieuw ... /Anonymous
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Schiphol versus Lelystad was one of the items in yesterdays' "Zondag Met Lubach", a very satirical tv show in the Netherlands (number of viewers: nr 8 on Dutch tv yesterday). Maybe it's more something for the Aviation.24 pub because it's Dutch only. But because Lelystad is involved here, I post it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftD9SZYviqg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftD9SZYviqg
Re: Amsterdam flights capped; some cargo operators compelled to move elsewhere
http://www.aircargonews.net/news/airlin ... slots.htmlAerofool wrote: ↑06 Nov 2017, 15:47 Apparently ABC would get all of its slots back at Schiphol:
http://www.nieuwsbladtransport.nl/Nieuw ... /Anonymous
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A "code-share"FredATC wrote: ↑06 Nov 2017, 18:26http://www.aircargonews.net/news/airlin ... slots.htmlAerofool wrote: ↑06 Nov 2017, 15:47 Apparently ABC would get all of its slots back at Schiphol:
http://www.nieuwsbladtransport.nl/Nieuw ... /Anonymous
Re: Amsterdam flights capped; some cargo operators compelled to move elsewhere
Very impressive thinking.Caroline Ditvoorst, slot coordinator at AMS, told NRC that the Dutch government could set a dangerous precedent by giving in to the threats over Russia’s airspace, as other carriers may try to gain space at European airports in the same way.
Nobody thought of that !
Pandora'box medal of the year.
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1. Russia is the only European country that is allowed to charge for its airspace. So there is no risk that it's a precedent for other European airports (unless they also chase away Russian cargo flights...).Acid-drop wrote: ↑08 Nov 2017, 09:18Very impressive thinking.Nobody thought of that ! Pandora'box medal of the year.Caroline Ditvoorst, slot coordinator at AMS, told NRC that the Dutch government could set a dangerous precedent by giving in to the threats over Russia’s airspace, as other carriers may try to gain space at European airports in the same way.
2. Schiphol Airport has created huge problems by allowing too much passenger flights. One of the reasons for that abnormal growth is that top management remuneration was based upon... growth.
Re: Amsterdam flights capped; some cargo operators compelled to move elsewhere
And what should Schiphol have done to avoid this? If an airline has traffic rights and gets slots for an airport (which are all done by other entities), how can Schiphol refuse them to fly and operate?
Re: Amsterdam flights capped; some cargo operators compelled to move elsewhere
I agree. In this case, it was AMS that created the problem in the first place. The Russians rightfully reacted, using their best weapon.
Re: Amsterdam flights capped; some cargo operators compelled to move elsewhere
ABC is using both AMS and LGG for now it seems.
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Air Cargo Global has returned to Brussels Airport, despite the possible noise fines
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/air-c ... ise-fines/
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/air-c ... ise-fines/
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From "De Tijd" : https://www.tijd.be/ondernemen/luchtvaa ... 1510922721
Does pressure from Moscow weigh on Liege?
Also Liege Airport takes goood advantage of the chaos at Schiphol . Liège Airport announced last month that the Russian AirBridgeCargo (ABC), which lost 10 weekly flights in Schiphol, would move up to 12 flights a week to Liège. But the decision of Schiphol caused a stir in Moscow . According to De Telegraaf, the Russian government threatened the closing of airspace for Dutch airlines if ABC would lose its slots at Schiphol. Dutch KLM then concluded a deal with ABC. KLM would 'lend' a number of slots at Schiphol to the Russians.
In the meantime it appears that the start-up of ABC in Liège is delayed. According to the company, that has nothing to do with the deal at Schiphol. 'ABC was ready to start 12 flights a week from the start, but the logistics at the airport were not ready for our volumes', says director Sergey Lazarev. ABC therefore opted for a step-by-step plan. It now runs 6 flights a week from Liege and adds extra flights in early 2018.
Re: Amsterdam flights capped; some cargo operators compelled to move elsewhere
stupid question but ... what would prevent an airline to fill the belly of a 777 without pax or with less pax ?
you could maybe have ... let's say 50% capacity compare to a real -F ?
you could maybe have ... let's say 50% capacity compare to a real -F ?
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