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Whilst Lufthansa seems to have secured the necessary funds to survive the Corona pandemic, things are getting worse for TUI AG (TUIfly Belgiums’ parent company).

Handelsblatt reported on Wednesday (20/05) that Moody’s has lowered the TUI AG rating with two levels (and TUI AG was already “speculative” before hell broke loose). Moody’s expects that the 1,8 Billion German state aid won’t be enough. Rumours that TUI has asked another 1,5 Billion state aid are denied by TUI’s head office Hannover. “TUI’s CEO Fritz Joussen is under high pressure”, Handelsblatt reports.
https://www.handelsblatt.com/unternehme ... 48172.html

Yahoo Finance (U.K.) reported on 17th May that Citibank (UK) expects that an urgent capital raise of £500M (by the shareholders) is needed.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/coron ... 01684.html

Frightening outlook for both TUI Belgium and TUIfly Belgium, who had parked their funds at the TUI AG cashpool in Germany. A few weeks ago, the Belgian press reported that TUI asked for 200M EUR Belgian state aid. Has that amount been raised afterwards? Any news on that?

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sn26567 wrote: 21 May 2020, 16:57 See also the story on the repatriation of Indonesian sailors from Hamburg to Denpasar by another TUIfly Belgium flight:

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/tui- ... m-hamburg/
And to make it even more international: the airplane is registered in the Netherlands :D

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The corona crisis sometimes provides for extraordinary itineraries due to the shortage of cargo aircraft.

TUIfly Belgium B787 OO-LOE is currently flying over the Indian Ocean between Seoul Incheon (ICN/RKSI) and La Réunion (RUN/FMEE) as JAF8504! The origin of the cargo was Guangzhou.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... e#248994a6
Here is some additional info on this flight including pics.
The plane carried some 1.5 million face masks from Guangzhou,China via Seoul to Saint-Denis,La réunion Island.

https://twitter.com/airplusnews/status/ ... 55617?s=20

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TUI and Boeing finally reach a comprehensive agreement to resolve the MAX grounding impact. No exact figures mentioned as it's confidential but here are some highlights.

- Large part of the financial impact incurred will be compensated over the next two years
- New agreement on the delivery schedule allows more flexible fleet planning in times of the pandemic
- New deliveries are postponed by an average of two years (also reduced to 61 iso 70-ish initially ordered)
- Reduced investments in aircraft and reduced financing requirements for TUI for the coming years
- Agreement strengthens liquidity of TUI Group

See full press release : https://www.tuigroup.com/en-en/media/pr ... -agreement

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A few Flemish newspapers report that TUI now accepts new bookings, but cancels them a few days later “because of corona”. One TUI-client reports that he booked on 6th June for travel from Ostend to Murcia on 7th July, and he paid a 650 €. Just three days later, TUI cancelled the flight, but refused to refund the 650 €. He will now receive a corona voucher, valid for a refund in June 2021. The hotel and rental car that he had booked and paid between booking and cancellation, is now probably lost.

https://www.gva.be/cnt/dmf20200609_0498 ... -getroffen

https://www.hln.be/de-krant/het-regent- ... ~a593f671/

Minister Muylle (federal government, minister of Consumer Affairs) is not amused. She now asks the Economical Inspection to open an investigation into those practices. Minister Muylle: “Wie op vakantie gaat moet onbezorgd kunnen genieten en niet een paar dagen na reservatie horen dat dit niet kan. Ik laat Economische Inspectie onderzoek openen naar luchtvaartmaatschappijen die vluchten verkopen en ze enkele dagen later weer annuleren.” – “Les personnes qui partent en vacances doivent pouvoir en profiter sans souci et ne pas entendre quelques jours après réservation que c'est annulé. Je charge l'Inspection Economique à enquêter sur les compagnies qui vendent des vols et les annulent quelques jours plus tard.”

https://twitter.com/nathaliemuylle

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Passenger wrote: 10 Jun 2020, 20:50 A few Flemish newspapers report that TUI now accepts new bookings, but cancels them a few days later “because of corona”. One TUI-client reports that he booked on 6th June for travel from Ostend to Murcia on 7th July, and he paid a 650 €. Just three days later, TUI cancelled the flight, but refused to refund the 650 €. He will now receive a corona voucher, valid for a refund in June 2021. The hotel and rental car that he had booked and paid between booking and cancellation, is now probably lost.

https://www.gva.be/cnt/dmf20200609_0498 ... -getroffen

https://www.hln.be/de-krant/het-regent- ... ~a593f671/

Minister Muylle (federal government, minister of Consumer Affairs) is not amused. She now asks the Economical Inspection to open an investigation into those practices. Minister Muylle: “Wie op vakantie gaat moet onbezorgd kunnen genieten en niet een paar dagen na reservatie horen dat dit niet kan. Ik laat Economische Inspectie onderzoek openen naar luchtvaartmaatschappijen die vluchten verkopen en ze enkele dagen later weer annuleren.” – “Les personnes qui partent en vacances doivent pouvoir en profiter sans souci et ne pas entendre quelques jours après réservation que c'est annulé. Je charge l'Inspection Economique à enquêter sur les compagnies qui vendent des vols et les annulent quelques jours plus tard.”

https://twitter.com/nathaliemuylle
This practices are not nice. Hope TUI will correct soon.

I still wonder why Muylle & Crevits & other village-politicians react extremely fast when airlines or entrepreneurs make mistakes or take advantage (willingly or not) of confusing situation.

But not a single minister sees the GIANT TAX EVASION of the big corporations (Starbucks, Amazon, Shell, Google..) .
Billions of EUR disappear to Tax Heavens every year, but this politicians rather shoot with big guns at smaller local companies.

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JOVAN wrote: 10 Jun 2020, 22:50 I still wonder why Muylle & Crevits & other village-politicians react extremely fast when airlines or entrepreneurs make mistakes or take advantage (willingly or not) of confusing situation.
Of course minister Muylle reacts sharply. She has set up the system of corona vouchers on request of the travel trade, though the system contradicted with the European travel package directive.

TUI (the touroperator) is the one who benefits the most from Muylle's Ministerieel Besluit / Arrêté Ministériel. And TUIfly (the airline) also gives coronavouchers for cancelled flights, though there is no legal ground for that. And then suddenly, minister Muylle is confronted with media reports about misleading practices of that tailor-made legislation by TUI. Given Muylle's previous efforts to save TUI from bankruptcy, she must have felt very pissed off (in Dutch, we have an expression “het mes in de rug krijgen”).

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A few off-topic posts have been deleted. If you want to start a topic about tax evasion, please feel free to do so in The Av24.be Pub section of the forum.
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TUIfly's German trade union Vereinigung Cockpit asks the Board to reject the rescue plan:
https://www.vcockpit.de/presse/pressemi ... oppen.html
"...Die Vereinigung Cockpit fordert den TUI-Aufsichtsrat auf, gegen die vom Vorstand geplante Halbierung der Flotte und den damit einhergehenden Stellenabbau zu stimmen. Der gesellschaftliche Konsens, dass Staatshilfen zur Sicherung und nicht zum Abbau von Arbeitsplätzen verwendet werden, gilt auch für TUI..." Translated via Google Translate: The Cockpit Association calls on the TUI Supervisory Board to vote against the halving of the fleet planned by the Management Board and the associated job cuts. The social consensus that state aid is used to safeguard and not to cut jobs also applies to TUI.
Do they (= Vereinigung Cockpit) really think that Management likes it that there will be a massive jobs cut?

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Passenger wrote: 18 Jun 2020, 12:20 TUIfly's German trade union Vereinigung Cockpit asks the Board to reject the rescue plan
There is much more in the TUI plan: the 5 airlines will be merged under a single company based in Hanover. Bye bye TUIfly Belgium?

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/tui- ... d-company/
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Sure, TUI will still have bases in Belgium, but there will be more integration into Hanover. That's what TUI fly Germany Managing Director Oliver Lackmann said yesterday: "In addition, central functions are to be more closely integrated across all five Group airlines. In a first step, TUI's European airlines will be merged under one company. This central flight division for TUI Group airlines will be based in Hanover."
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Just to be sure, I contacted the TUI Belgium PR department, which itself consulted the German headquarters which gave the following reply:

"We can confirm that we are planning to move all airlines within one entity based in Germany. This does not affect the local structure with independent airlines serving their home markets as they do already."
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TUI fly Belgium's summer scheduling is available on Routes Online: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t=brussels

Some interesting changes:
Brussels – Antalya eff 08JUL20 3 weekly 737/767/787 (up to 6 weekly until 18JUL20)
Brussels – Tenerife South eff 02JUL20 3 weekly 737/767/787

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TUI fly Belgium flight TB3313 with destination Eskisehir returned to Brussels. Fire units were waiting for OO-TUP at runway 07L around 13h15 local time. More information to follow.

Flightradar24 information: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... p#24c75450

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Lessor FPG Amentum of Ireland announces the sale of one TUI fly Belgium B737-800, serial 33974, currently registered OO-TUP. The aircraft was sold to another lessor on behalf of FPG Amentum’s investor customer Global Aircraft Fund I.
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Former Thomas Cook German unit Condor plans to form a joint venture with TUIfly (Germany).
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sn26567 wrote: 22 Jul 2020, 19:00 Lessor FPG Amentum of Ireland announces the sale of one TUI fly Belgium B737-800, serial 33974, currently registered OO-TUP. The aircraft was sold to another lessor on behalf of FPG Amentum’s investor customer Global Aircraft Fund I.
According to Lessor FPG Amentum a Boeing 737-800 with serial 35647 and registered OO-TUX is also available for lease and/or sale as from Q2 in 2021.

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sn26567 wrote: 28 Jul 2020, 16:36 Former Thomas Cook German unit Condor plans to form a joint venture with TUIfly (Germany).
Condor would be better inside TUI fly Germany under one unique name.
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TLspotting wrote: 01 Aug 2020, 19:11
sn26567 wrote: 28 Jul 2020, 16:36 Former Thomas Cook German unit Condor plans to form a joint venture with TUIfly (Germany).
Condor would be better inside TUI fly Germany under one unique name.
And the passengers would be better if the two companies were kept independent: competition lowers the prices.
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JustPlanes video: 737-700 Corfu-Brussels:

https://youtu.be/N9Uy4quRG68

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