Air Belgium in 2018

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Passenger wrote: 07 Jun 2018, 15:45 Within a few weeks, their honeymoon weeks will be over. Optimism will then be replaced by realism: the figures, the invoices, the bills, the problem with the load factor, the problem with the GDS, the problem with the call center.

Sooner or later, someone will have to pay for the Libreville debackle from last weekend (two AF flights cancelled, leaving hundreds of passengers stranded = hotels, meals, rebookings, refunds). Someone will have to pay for the two flights with almost zero paying passengers: the first flight (03/06) and the inauguration flight (06/06). Or for the four flights with almost zero paying passengers, unless U-Tour fills the plane tomorrow.

And what will happen when their annual account 2017 will be published? Remember: it was a year with only expenses and no income.

The above is my personal opinion. The following is a quote from Richard Branson: "...If you want to be a Millionaire, start with a billion dollars and launch a new airline..."
Hey Passenger

I have the impression you don't want them to succeed or is it something else?

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Hasta la victoria siempre.

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Poiu wrote: 07 Jun 2018, 17:27 Probably around 25% revenue pax, but what is the value of the load factor of the first flight?
Source for that "probably around 25% revenue pax" please.

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Passenger wrote: 07 Jun 2018, 20:13
Poiu wrote: 07 Jun 2018, 17:27 Probably around 25% revenue pax, but what is the value of the load factor of the first flight?
Source for that "probably around 25% revenue pax" please.
PROBABLY= wild guess.

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Poiu wrote: 07 Jun 2018, 20:46 PROBABLY= wild guess.
Indeed. It's your right to state that it was around 25%. But when I post something that is far less then above wild guess, some people ask that my personal opinion is removed, thus ignoring the basic forum rule that everyone is allowed a personal opinion.

Example:
sean1982 wrote: 07 Jun 2018, 14:25 Then the comment should be removed. It would have been different if it said:I think the strike was not justified, meaning a personal opinion. “The strike was not justified” is a blanket statement and should be then backed up with proof that it wasn’t. So far I haven’t seen any, on the contrary.

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Consider this a general remark:
If you keep stirring the pot, expect to find yourself on vacation from the kitchen quite quickly.
There’s absolutely no use bringing up a post from a different thread in here. Especially one part of a discussion that’s already closed for good reason.
If you want to keep participating, keep it civil and get past the personal attacks.
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OO-ABB now flying back to Charleroi, of which around 50 Chinese tourists.

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This morning Air France flight AF977, operated by Air Belgium OO-ABA was returning from Libreville, holded above Dyon for about twenty minutes then headed to Paris Orly airport. (reason unknown but most likely due to airport capacity reduction at CDG ? )
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Five hours later the aircraft took off Orly airport for a landing at CDG less than twenty minutes later.
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luchtzak wrote: 08 Jun 2018, 09:07OO-ABB now flying back to Charleroi, of which around 50 Chinese tourists.
"The eagle has landed"

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André’s return flight trip report: https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/air-b ... rn-flight/

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737MAX wrote: 08 Jun 2018, 22:23 And sadly enough, police "officers" at BRU are arrogant, unfriendly, lazy, and basically useless...
ah generalisations, I tend to disagree. I never had a negative experience so far. And just a small quote from a former indian colleague when he heard I was Belgian... mmm Belgium, I only remember one thing vividly of a very short trip there and that was the friendly police officer at the airport passport control who greeted me in Hindi.

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Five minute video on Air Belgium with various interviews during the inaugural flights
https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2018/06/08 ... -de-lucht/

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Good for them. They really believe in their product so wish them well.

There were 50 Chinese passengers on the return. But any more? And/or cargo?

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domtom wrote: 09 Jun 2018, 22:11 Good for them. They really believe in their product so wish them well.

There were 50 Chinese passengers on the return. But any more? And/or cargo?
I don't think they'll have cargo because at the vrtnews Niki mentioned that they can't bring any cargo

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OO-ABA flew back from CDG to CRL this morning as AF380V. I thought the AF contract was until end-June.
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sn26567 wrote: 10 Jun 2018, 10:19 OO-ABA flew back from CDG to CRL this morning as AF380V. I thought the AF contract was until end-June.
At this very moment, the Air France website still announces AF-926 as "expected to depart on time at 13h35, operated by Air Belgium".

Maybe OO-ABB will go to Paris and Libreville?

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Indeed, OO-ABB is planned to fly to CDG as flight AFR382V today. On FR24 there is no hour of departure/arrival mentioned.

UPDATE: OO-ABB started taxiing at the moment when I posted this: 10h44 Local Time

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I still don't understand what the AB "Premium" product consists of. Eco seats with more pitch ? Regular eco seats with upgraded meal service ? Flat beds but reduced service ( sounds weird though ) ? If it is a separate cabin, any pictures one can share ?

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N77014 wrote: 10 Jun 2018, 11:03 I still don't understand what the AB "Premium" product consists of. Eco seats with more pitch ? Regular eco seats with upgraded meal service ? Flat beds but reduced service ( sounds weird though ) ? If it is a separate cabin, any pictures one can share ?
Have a look on AirBelgium.com, you will find all the info and pictures you need.

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Thanks, i did already many times, but IMHO, those pictures are not real. Do you see how wide the aisle is ? And the seats look like regular Eco, except with more pitch. I Think this is only an artist impression. Till now, I did not find any real picture of this separate cabin. Anyone has a hint where I could find some ?

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N77014 wrote: 10 Jun 2018, 11:03 I still don't understand what the AB "Premium" product consists of. Eco seats with more pitch ? Regular eco seats with upgraded meal service ? Flat beds but reduced service ( sounds weird though ) ? If it is a separate cabin, any pictures one can share ?
At present there is no Premium. There 45 business class seats and 212 economy seats. But for the next season there will be 18 business class seats, 21 premium economy seats (7-across, more legroom and better meals than economy) and 265 economy seats (8-across). I hope this answers your question.
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