I wrote an article on the China expansion, people there want to travel. I think that there is enough market.
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I wrote an article on the China expansion, people there want to travel. I think that there is enough market.
And U-Tour will launch new flights between Liege Airport and China. The first flight is scheduled to land at the Belgian airport on 24 April 2018, from Chengdu via Saint Petersburg1.Shengenzone wrote: ↑31 Jan 2018, 12:18But VLM wants to start later this summer and to other cities than Hong Kong. --> Chengdu, Xian, Tjanjin and Wuhan
It will all depend upon the price.Darjeeling wrote: ↑31 Jan 2018, 12:05 The project is doomed and dead-born.
CX opens BRU in a few weeks time (and I hope it'll be a more successful operation than the DUS one) with an A350 and superb on-board product. Not to mention HU with the SZX flight out of BRU.
They have no feeder, no alliance, no interline, no local corporate or O&D market... and no cargo capabilities !
Reminds me of the VG venture... they won't even see 2020.
When Flanders wins, it's only normal.Shonix wrote: ↑31 Jan 2018, 12:13It is. However, it will never be admitted publicly. This project is a Walloon vs Flemish battle. I'm also pretty sure the AOC is still not yet delivered for political reasons.Boavida wrote: ↑31 Jan 2018, 11:58 I have the feeling that the choice for CRL is mostly politically motivated... Who choses an airport with a runway that can't handle a full A340 and offers very limited connection possibilities... (actually 0 since FR doesn't do connections)?
Maybe Air Wallonia was a better name.
It's not yet a win. Up to now, Air Belgium is only advertising via the media and no results can be taken into account. However, I really hope Air Belgium will be a success but I still have my doubts.Acid-drop wrote: ↑31 Jan 2018, 12:41When Flanders wins, it's only normal.Shonix wrote: ↑31 Jan 2018, 12:13It is. However, it will never be admitted publicly. This project is a Walloon vs Flemish battle. I'm also pretty sure the AOC is still not yet delivered for political reasons.Boavida wrote: ↑31 Jan 2018, 11:58 I have the feeling that the choice for CRL is mostly politically motivated... Who choses an airport with a runway that can't handle a full A340 and offers very limited connection possibilities... (actually 0 since FR doesn't do connections)?
Maybe Air Wallonia was a better name.
When Wallonia wins, it becomes a political battle and everything is unfair.
It's one point of view.
From here, I have a different point of view : Wallonia invested massively in aviation, infrastructure, subsidies, political will. So yes, once in a while, it works
VLM will be the equivalent success in Flanders, and everybody is happy.
True. If they go after Chinese tourists, which might indeed be massive, the price will have to be very very low indeed.
It's not about being unfair or not, it's about making the right (business!) choices to make this project a success. Politics is never a good idea with these kind of (aviation) projects, with Sabena being the saddest example of this. I do hope Air Belgium will be a great success, but let's be honest, BRU would have been a better choice.Acid-drop wrote: ↑31 Jan 2018, 12:41When Flanders wins, it's only normal.Shonix wrote: ↑31 Jan 2018, 12:13It is. However, it will never be admitted publicly. This project is a Walloon vs Flemish battle. I'm also pretty sure the AOC is still not yet delivered for political reasons.Boavida wrote: ↑31 Jan 2018, 11:58 I have the feeling that the choice for CRL is mostly politically motivated... Who choses an airport with a runway that can't handle a full A340 and offers very limited connection possibilities... (actually 0 since FR doesn't do connections)?
Maybe Air Wallonia was a better name.
When Wallonia wins, it becomes a political battle and everything is unfair.
It's one point of view.
From here, I have a different point of view : Wallonia invested massively in aviation, infrastructure, subsidies, political will. So yes, once in a while, it works
VLM will be the equivalent success in Flanders, and everybody is happy.
Because there is the silent agreement. Flanders: seaports Wallonia: airportsBoavida wrote: ↑31 Jan 2018, 13:04It's not about being unfair or not, it's about making the right (business!) choices to make this project a success. Politics is never a good idea with these kind of (aviation) projects, with Sabena being the saddest example of this. I do hope Air Belgium will be a great success, but let's be honest, BRU would have been a better choice.Acid-drop wrote: ↑31 Jan 2018, 12:41When Flanders wins, it's only normal.
When Wallonia wins, it becomes a political battle and everything is unfair.
It's one point of view.
From here, I have a different point of view : Wallonia invested massively in aviation, infrastructure, subsidies, political will. So yes, once in a while, it works
VLM will be the equivalent success in Flanders, and everybody is happy.
This being said, Wallonia did a far better job with its regional airports compared to the old, rusty ones in Flanders!
Where Flanders wins in aviation? The 2 biggest airport in a whole country are french speaking meanwhile french speaking people is only 35% - 40% of the population in Belgium!Acid-drop wrote: ↑31 Jan 2018, 12:41When Flanders wins, it's only normal.Shonix wrote: ↑31 Jan 2018, 12:13It is. However, it will never be admitted publicly. This project is a Walloon vs Flemish battle. I'm also pretty sure the AOC is still not yet delivered for political reasons.Boavida wrote: ↑31 Jan 2018, 11:58 I have the feeling that the choice for CRL is mostly politically motivated... Who choses an airport with a runway that can't handle a full A340 and offers very limited connection possibilities... (actually 0 since FR doesn't do connections)?
Maybe Air Wallonia was a better name.
When Wallonia wins, it becomes a political battle and everything is unfair.
It's one point of view.
From here, I have a different point of view : Wallonia invested massively in aviation, infrastructure, subsidies, political will. So yes, once in a while, it works
VLM will be the equivalent success in Flanders, and everybody is happy.
Ryanair flown to Ostende and Ostende didn't manage to keep them. Charleroi made the right investment to attract Ryanair in Charleroi, if Antwerp would have done the same, then we would have been certainly a Antwerp Brussels North Airport as it's closer to Brussels. So yes Ryanair play a very big roles in the success of CRL but this is first thanks to the investment of Wallonia. Don't get me wrong, I'm a proud Belgian and I'm very happy to have successful Walloon airport thanks to the Walloon investment and amazing seaport thanks to the flemish investment.
Thanks for your positive postcrew1990 wrote: ↑31 Jan 2018, 14:45Ryanair flown to Ostende and Ostende didn't manage to keep them. Charleroi made the right investment to attract Ryanair in Charleroi, if Antwerp would have done the same, then we would have been certainly a Antwerp Brussels North Airport as it's closer to Brussels. So yes Ryanair play a very big roles in the success of CRL but this is first thanks to the investment of Wallonia. Don't get me wrong, I'm a proud Belgian and I'm very happy to have successful Walloon airport thanks to the Walloon investment and amazing seaport thanks to the flemish investment.