Hmm,
According to VRT they don't have their AOC but they hope to receive it...
So today's presser is just to put pressure on the CAA... I'll guess we'll see where that's going in the next couple of weeks or months
Luckily they have lots of Chinese money to burn, 2 years and 50 staff on payroll without any revenue. Wow. Speaking of determination.
So, any specialist in house who can tell how much of a payload penalty the A343 gets from operating from Charleroi since the runway is to short?
Air Belgium in 2018
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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?
An article online @ https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/air-b ... l-network/
André is at the press conference and will ask about the AOC, the press conference is still ongoing.
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André is at the press conference and will ask about the AOC, the press conference is still ongoing.
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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?
First flight very soon, had no time to sell tickets...
or they plan to fill it with chineese
or they plan to have half empty flights (necessary to take off from CRL short runway anyway)
or they plan to fill it with chineese
or they plan to have half empty flights (necessary to take off from CRL short runway anyway)
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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?
Wished they would have revised the livery but unfortunately they didn't.. Stubborn people
Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?
André will ask about runway length and AOC at the press conference.
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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?
Where will they do a fuel stopover ? or will they just use their aircraft halfempty with limited passenger numbers and an empty cargo hold?
Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?
I updated the article: 257 passengers maximum, lower freight load. Higher costs on engine (full-thrust).
Today test flights are being performed on the A340, we should follow Flightradar24!
Today test flights are being performed on the A340, we should follow Flightradar24!
Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?
breaking !
Fuel stop in LGG !
Fuel stop in LGG !
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As they don't have connection yet, I guess they could do like a triangular flight, with another destination where they could refuel completly. Like Charleroi-Geneva-Hong Kong-Geneva-Charleroi for example.
Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?
BSCA runway length
The length of the runway at Charleroi Airport (2,550 meters) will also handicap the Air Belgium operations during the first years: on the outbound flights the airline will limit the passengers to 257 and the airline will lose out on cargo capacity. Higher thrust on take-off means a “shorter life” for the engines hence an extension of the runway is vital. The officials of BSCA and the Walloon authorities (via Sowaer) reassured Air Belgium to extend the runway with 700 meters to 3,200 meters by 2021.
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I have the feeling that the choice for CRL is mostly politically motivated... Who choses an airport with a runway that can't handle a full A340 and offers very limited connection possibilities... (actually 0 since FR doesn't do connections)?
Maybe Air Wallonia was a better name.
Maybe Air Wallonia was a better name.
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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?
So, they say they prefer Brussels-South over Brussels-National because of the €25 difference
To be honest, €25 on a long haul ticket does not seem an outrageous amount to me (paying passenger perspective)
Considering this will give you;
as a passenger
- connections
- train access
- lounge access
as a company
- runway distance
- cargo
- connections
- premium ready terminals
To be honest, €25 on a long haul ticket does not seem an outrageous amount to me (paying passenger perspective)
Considering this will give you;
as a passenger
- connections
- train access
- lounge access
as a company
- runway distance
- cargo
- connections
- premium ready terminals
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The project is doomed and dead-born.
CX opens BRU in a few weeks time (and I hope it'll be a more successful operation than the DUS one) with an A350 and superb on-board product. Not to mention HU with the SZX flight out of BRU.
They have no feeder, no alliance, no interline, no local corporate or O&D market... and no cargo capabilities !
Reminds me of the VG venture... they won't even see 2020.
CX opens BRU in a few weeks time (and I hope it'll be a more successful operation than the DUS one) with an A350 and superb on-board product. Not to mention HU with the SZX flight out of BRU.
They have no feeder, no alliance, no interline, no local corporate or O&D market... and no cargo capabilities !
Reminds me of the VG venture... they won't even see 2020.
Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?
Not to forget also VLM will fly to China soon.... from BRU (with all its advantages mentioned here above).
Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?
It is. However, it will never be admitted publicly. This project is a Walloon vs Flemish battle. I'm also pretty sure the AOC is still not yet delivered for political reasons.Boavida wrote: ↑31 Jan 2018, 11:58 I have the feeling that the choice for CRL is mostly politically motivated... Who choses an airport with a runway that can't handle a full A340 and offers very limited connection possibilities... (actually 0 since FR doesn't do connections)?
Maybe Air Wallonia was a better name.
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They apparently also claim that for passengers living west of Brussels, the travel time to CRL is shorter than to BRU. Apart from a few exceptions (Tournai, Mons, Geraardsbergen and maybe Ronse), this is simply not true.