Hi Sn,
Those 5000€ will be splited into monthly payments to BEAP,it'll take aprox. 4-5 years to do this with an average flight attendant salary.
Strange affaires over there don't you think......
BEAP to start before end Dec 04
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Strange affaires over there
[Look what I saw in Picture changed overthere...]flyexel wrote:Hi Sn,
Those 5000€ will be splited into monthly payments to BEAP,it'll take aprox. 4-5 years to do this with an average flight attendant salary.
Strange affaires over there don't you think......
Het startkapitaal voor de eerste fase, 25 miljoen euro, is nog niet helemaal vergaard. BelgiumExel, de luchtvaartmaatschappij van de Nederlandse zakenman Erik De Vlieger, brengt ,,het grootste deel'' in. Verder is het wachten op een positief antwoord van Afrikaanse ontwikkelingsbanken. Leblicq blijkt daar erg gerust in. De nodige vergunningen worden volgende week verwacht.
Het cabinepersoneel, een dertig mensen, bestaat uit ex-Sabeniens die al aan de slag waren bij BelgiumExel.
I wonder why 30 f/a would accept a reduced salary, when they have a contract with BelgiumExel?
It is a fact that Mali is a big 'client' at the BAD, Banque Africaine de Developpement. Of which Belgium is also a member.)
But I cannot trace any (air) transport projects in the development banks.... Strange affaire.
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Oh boy.
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The investment will be paid back by the salary. What if somebody quits the company after three months? Will he/she be refunded? What if BEAP has to close down a route and therefore has to dismiss staff? Will there be enough funds to pay each of them 5.000 euros?
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Social Inspection will also not be very happy with this: if the investment is withdraw from the montly salary cheque, it is a salary. The investment therefore will not be 5.000 euros per person, but almost the double. In Belgium, gross salary costs indeed are about double of the nett salary. Or is the 5.000 euros, mentionned in the press articles, indeed gross?
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The investment will be paid back by the salary. What if somebody quits the company after three months? Will he/she be refunded? What if BEAP has to close down a route and therefore has to dismiss staff? Will there be enough funds to pay each of them 5.000 euros?
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Social Inspection will also not be very happy with this: if the investment is withdraw from the montly salary cheque, it is a salary. The investment therefore will not be 5.000 euros per person, but almost the double. In Belgium, gross salary costs indeed are about double of the nett salary. Or is the 5.000 euros, mentionned in the press articles, indeed gross?
Thanks for the information in Dutch. When posting such a news item, it woud be useful to add a (very) short summary in English. thanks in anticipation.Boeing767copilot wrote:read on www.Luchtvaartnieuws.nl, sorry in Dutch:
André
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I had to delete a lot of posts or parts of post in this thread. Please read carefully the forum rules. We might ban some readers if they continue posting inappropriate wording like they do. This forum must be based on mutual understanding and respect for others' opinions.Advisor wrote:I can only add that yes the forum administrators are doing a good job.
To the people who engage in language feuds, only a humble message to them:
People are lonely because they build walls instead of bridges.
We all are in aviation. Let our planes not just fly across boundaries and tarmacs but also beyond mere linguistic battles and i always thought that AVIATION is the biggest networker of the world.
Remember, WE ARE THE WORLD. WE ARE THE PEOPLE.
Can you now please refrain from using insults and stick to the topic?
Pity that these wise words had to come from India! This kind of spirit should be naturally in all of us.
André
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Re: Beap, beaper, beapst?
I guess BEAP will retain a small portion of their salaries every month, up to 5,000 euros.SN30952 wrote:every month....??? 5000€ ???
5000€ is a lot for an individual, peanuts for an airline, indeed.
In fact these people pay themselves for flying? They are co-owners, entrepreneurs. What is their status?
André
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Better late than never, I just realized that BelgiumExel operates with aircraft registered in the Netherlands (AOC from there too I believe).
AFAIK, BEAP/BelgiumExel does not need a Belgian AOC to operate flights from BRU. Holders of a European AOC can operate from any EU member state they want. But they probably need to add a variation on their AOC to cover the BEAP flights.
AFAIK, BEAP/BelgiumExel does not need a Belgian AOC to operate flights from BRU. Holders of a European AOC can operate from any EU member state they want. But they probably need to add a variation on their AOC to cover the BEAP flights.
and this is not off-topic?????????????sn26567 wrote:I had to delete a lot of posts or parts of post in this thread. Please read carefully the forum rules. We might ban some readers if they continue posting inappropriate wording like they do. This forum must be based on mutual understanding and respect for others' opinions.Advisor wrote:I can only add that yes the forum administrators are doing a good job.
To the people who engage in language feuds, only a humble message to them:
People are lonely because they build walls instead of bridges.
We all are in aviation. Let our planes not just fly across boundaries and tarmacs but also beyond mere linguistic battles and i always thought that AVIATION is the biggest networker of the world.
Remember, WE ARE THE WORLD. WE ARE THE PEOPLE.
Can you now please refrain from using insults and stick to the topic?
Pity that these wise words had to come from India! This kind of spirit should be naturally in all of us.
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BEAP denies rumors on having little chance in surviving.
Brief english translation:
Co founder Filip Van Rossem denies that the BEAP project would be a soapbell. "The fact that we announced our project last week was just to make public that our first flight will be on december 23rd. The actual operations will only start in March of next year", he said.
Many airline professionals however give this project little chance in succeeding, especially because they still lack a number of documents including those to start the procedure in acauiring the licence to operate flights (AOC) reports Eric Aerden from the federal minsitry of transport. Furthermore no evidence has yet been found that BEAP would fly with a foreign licence which only acknowledges what professionals are thinking. A flight on december 23rd seems highly unrealistic.
Co founder Filip Van Rossem denies that the BEAP project would be a soapbell. "The fact that we announced our project last week was just to make public that our first flight will be on december 23rd. The actual operations will only start in March of next year", he said.
Many airline professionals however give this project little chance in succeeding, especially because they still lack a number of documents including those to start the procedure in acauiring the licence to operate flights (AOC) reports Eric Aerden from the federal minsitry of transport. Furthermore no evidence has yet been found that BEAP would fly with a foreign licence which only acknowledges what professionals are thinking. A flight on december 23rd seems highly unrealistic.
BEAP future very questionable
and in HLN:
BEAP beschikt nog niet over vereiste vlieglicentie
BEAP doesn't have the necessary AOC yet, says Eric Aerden, spokesmen of the Federal Government of Mobility and Transportation. He also told that they don't want a second Van Gaever-incident. Where Van Gaever blamed that the Belgian Government sabotaged his project.
and in HLN:
BEAP beschikt nog niet over vereiste vlieglicentie
BEAP doesn't have the necessary AOC yet, says Eric Aerden, spokesmen of the Federal Government of Mobility and Transportation. He also told that they don't want a second Van Gaever-incident. Where Van Gaever blamed that the Belgian Government sabotaged his project.
Everything seems OK now:
"The practical arrangement between BEAP and Belgium Exel has only been finalized yesterday. First flight out of BRU will be on Wed 22/12, return from Lomé next day. After that, frequency 2 / week on Monday and Saturday. Belgium Exel will need to use Holland Exel's AOC (using 7th freedom), same way as they have previously already been granted by the Belgian CAA on the other flights for Thomas Cook and on Pukhet. This is not yet a "yes" and the events around Holland Exel do not help. But it should work."
"The practical arrangement between BEAP and Belgium Exel has only been finalized yesterday. First flight out of BRU will be on Wed 22/12, return from Lomé next day. After that, frequency 2 / week on Monday and Saturday. Belgium Exel will need to use Holland Exel's AOC (using 7th freedom), same way as they have previously already been granted by the Belgian CAA on the other flights for Thomas Cook and on Pukhet. This is not yet a "yes" and the events around Holland Exel do not help. But it should work."
The timetable for the flights is online!
You can find it here http://www.beap.be/public/DATA/TT.pdf
All flights have a HLX prefix .
There will be a connection betwee CDG and BRU by bus.
Greetings,
Airbuske
You can find it here http://www.beap.be/public/DATA/TT.pdf
All flights have a HLX prefix .
There will be a connection betwee CDG and BRU by bus.
Greetings,
Airbuske
Yes, but not yet on the OAG...airbuske wrote:The timetable for the flights is online!
And why connecting to Paris with a bus? Of course, their schedules are not exactly in line with those of the Thalys coming from Paris Nord, but still... Even with a connection at Brussels North, I would prefer the Thalys.
André
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Connecting with a bus ??
Beap said that they want to "steal" pasengers from AF on the Lomé route, even business pax. But do they really think that they will be able to get those AF business pax, by offering them a bus ride between Paris and Brussels and than the service of HollandExell in Business class ????
Chris
Beap said that they want to "steal" pasengers from AF on the Lomé route, even business pax. But do they really think that they will be able to get those AF business pax, by offering them a bus ride between Paris and Brussels and than the service of HollandExell in Business class ????
Chris
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Breaking news: the commercial department at Air France just read the BEAP website. They're all rolling on the floor laughing...
A bus on BRU-CDG... Why not an Antonov 2 while they're at it ? Okay, the bus is cheaper than an ERJ-145, and if the shuttle is empty you're not losing tens of thousands of euros on each "leg".
8O
Unless the whole trip is really much much cheaper with BEAP (I can't seriously believe that) or there's a greater allowance for personal luggage, there's no way you can compete with AF in Paris.
A bus on BRU-CDG... Why not an Antonov 2 while they're at it ? Okay, the bus is cheaper than an ERJ-145, and if the shuttle is empty you're not losing tens of thousands of euros on each "leg".
8O
Unless the whole trip is really much much cheaper with BEAP (I can't seriously believe that) or there's a greater allowance for personal luggage, there's no way you can compete with AF in Paris.
