Schiphol news

Flying_Dutchman · Post by **Flying_Dutchman** » 14 Feb 2004, 23:00

Expected deliveries

02/2004 PH-BQE Boeing 777-206/ER KLM; MSN 28691 named "Epidaurus"; arrived at Schiphol

03/2004 PH-BQF Boeing 777-206/ER KLM; MSN 29398 named "Ferrara City"; expected arrival at Amsterdam from Seattle on delivery

03/2004 PH-MPF Airbus A320 Martinair; expected arrival at Amsterdam from Toulouse on delivery

23/03/2004 PH-HZW Boeing 737-8K2 Paradise International Air; expected return to Transavia after lease

04/2004 PH-XRE Boeing 737-7K2 Transavia (MSN 30668); expected arrival at Amsterdam from Boeing Field on delivery

04/2004 PH-HZN Boeing 737-8K2 Transavia; expected arrival at Amsterdam from Boeing Field on delivery

05/04/2004 PH-HZC Boeing 737-8K2 Sun Country; expected return to Transavia after lease

06/04/2004 PH-HZJ Boeing 737-8K2 Sun Country; expected return to Transavia after lease

14/04/2004 PH-HZA Boeing 737-8K2 Air-Berlin; expected return to Transavia after lease

20/04/2004 PH-HZG Boeing 737-8K2 Sun Country; expected return to Transavia after lease

22/04/2004 PH-HZI Boeing 737-8K2 Sun Country; expected return to Transavia after lease

22/04/2004 PH-HZM Boeing 737-8K2 Air-Berlin; expected return to Transavia after lease

05/2004 PH-BQG Boeing 777-206/ER KLM; MSN 32704 named "Galápagos Islands"; expected arrival at Amsterdam from Seattle on delivery

10/2004 PH-BQH Boeing 777-206/ER KLM; MSN 33705 named "Hadrian's Wall"; expected arrival at Amsterdam from Seattle on delivery

12/2004 PH-BQI Boeing 777-206/ER KLM; MSN 33714 named "Iguaçu Park"; expected arrival at Amsterdam from Seattle on delivery

01/2005 PH-BQK Boeing 777-206/ER KLM; MSN 29399 named "Kilimanjaro Park"; expected arrival at Amsterdam from Seattle on delivery

Schiphol summer 2004 schedules

-Aeroflot (SU): on Saturdays to Moscow SVO (A320)
-Air Astana (4L): daily to Atyrau, Astana, Almaty (B757-200)
-Atlas JET (OGE):on Sundays (A320)
-Britannia (BAL): twice daily to Birmingham (B737-500) (will be operated by FlyThomson.com out of Coventry)
-Carpatair (V3): daily to Timisoara (Saab 2000)
-Cityjet (WX): 3 times daily to Dublin (BAe146)
-DHL-EAT (BCS): on Saturdays & Sundays to Luton, Brussels (B757-200F)
-Egypt Air (MS): on Fridays and Sundays to Cairo (A340)
-EU Airways (EUY): twice daily to Belfast (Fokker 100)
-Freebird (FHY): A320 on Tuesday & Saturday (A320)
-Futura (FUA): every Wednesday to Las Palmas and Thursday to Tenerife (B737-800)
-Gambia Int'l Airlines (GC): on Saturday and Sunday to Banjul (B737-800)
-German Wings (4U): twice daily to Stuttgart and Zurich (A319)
-Helvetic (OAW): twice daily to Zurich (Fokker 100)
-Libyan Arab (LN): every Sunday to Tripoli (B737-400)
-LOT (LO): Tuesday and Thursday afternoon (EMB170)
-Meridiana (IG): daily to Rome CIA (MD82)
-Norway Airlines (DY): on Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Sunday to Oslo (B737-300)
-Now Airlines (NWX): twice daily to Luton (B737-300)
-Sierra Leone Airways (LJ): Wednesday and Thursday to LGW and FNA (B757-200)
-Singapore Airlines (SQ): daily (B777), plus 6x a week (B747-400)
-Singapore Airlines Cargo (SQ): 21 flights per week (SIN/ SHJ/ ORD/ DXB/ BLR/ JFK/ DAC/ KWI/ DEL/ MAA/ CPH) (B747-400F)
-Sky (SHY): on Tuesday, Wednesday and Saturday to Antalya (B737-400)
-Sky Europe (NE): daily to Bratislava/Warsaw/Split (B737-500)
-Sky Europe Hungary (5P): twice daily to Budapest (B737-500)
-Travel Service (QS): twice daily flights to Prague (B737-500)
-Virgin Express (VEX): now also daily to Copenhagen, Madrid, Barcelona and Malaga (B737-300)
-Volare Web (VA): twice daily to Milan Malpensa and daily to Venice (A320)
-West Air Sweden (PT): now using FX as well as PT-flightnumbers to Paris CDG and London STN (ATP)

L-1011 · Post by **L-1011** » 15 Feb 2004, 00:00

Thanks for all this information Flying Dutchman

Makes me wanna come to AMS for some spotting

ciao,
TriStar

Flying_Dutchman · Post by **Flying_Dutchman** » 15 Feb 2004, 11:04

News of Garuda schedules to/from AMS:

April 30 - June 12: temporarily 3 flights a week.
This, towards maintenance of one of the B747-400's
These are the flights:
GA974 Jakarta - Amsterdam: April 30 - Juni 12: no flight on Friday.
GA975 Amsterdam - Jakarta: May 01 - June 12: no flight on Saturday.
The other flights stay what they were. So you can spot a Garuda plane in this period only Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday.

Jense · Post by **Jense** » 15 Feb 2004, 11:40

Wow, all those new planes

. KLM goes T7's

. I need to visit schiphol airport some-day. Were this the last T7's for KLM?

greettzzz

A318 · Post by **A318** » 15 Feb 2004, 12:12

Do you know what the funny thing is (since everybody knows I like the big Boeings) that when I saw the 777 for real I was a little dissapointed since it looked to me like a big 767.
Maybe silly but when I saw pictures from a A330 taken from the front, I saw a very nice aircraft almost a bird. Am I losing it here or what?

Greetz,

Erwin

Flying_Dutchman · Post by **Flying_Dutchman** » 15 Feb 2004, 12:31

You've right, Erwin. The B777 is an improved version of the B767. From far, the B767 is similar to the B777. But if you take a closer look, there are a lot differents.

Post by **sn26567** » 15 Feb 2004, 12:49

Thx for all that info, Flying Dutchman.

Nice to see VEX expanding in AMS!

Also it seems that Transavia will be stuck with a lot of subleased planes returning home.

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 15 Feb 2004, 12:52

WOW, thanks for all thisgreat news Flying_Dutchman

I wish we would have all those planes flying into BRU

Ciao
Chris
8)

Established02 · Post by **Established02** » 15 Feb 2004, 18:25

Amazing to see how AMS continues to attract more and more traffic!

Singapore Airlines Cargo (SQ): 21 flights per week (SIN/ SHJ/ ORD/ DXB/ BLR/ JFK/ DAC/ KWI/ DEL/ MAA/ CPH) (B747-400F)

I wanted to think that SQ Cargo had chosen BRU as their main gateway in Europe. However based on this information it looks like AMS is more important for SQ Cargo than BRU! What's the logic of SQ Cargo in sending that many cargo flights through 2 almost neighbouring airports? The routing of these flights seems to be very similar as well.

Established02

B737229 · Post by **B737229** » 15 Feb 2004, 23:27

It is strange that SQ will operate that vast number of flights into AMS, are they moving their hub from Bru -> Ams?

Flying_Dutchman · Post by **Flying_Dutchman** » 16 Feb 2004, 10:55

Also Continental will expand their flights to/from AMS. They've just introduced Cincinnati-Amsterdam and they will expand the Houston-Amsterdam route.

TWA · Post by **TWA** » 16 Feb 2004, 12:12

Thx for the info Flying Dutchman. I just can't believe the vex expansion thing in ams with daily flights to cph/agp/bcn/mad. We didn't hear anything about that here in Belgium.

TWA

Established02 · Post by **Established02** » 16 Feb 2004, 20:04

Singapore Airlines Cargo (SQ): 21 flights per week (SIN/ SHJ/ ORD/ DXB/ BLR/ JFK/ DAC/ KWI/ DEL/ MAA/ CPH) (B747-400F)

You can find an easy to use "Schedule Planner" at http://www.siacargo.com/.

> are they moving their hub from Bru -> Ams?

Haven't read anything about that yet, however it looks like it.

By checking their online schedule it does seem that BRU may become a loser (once again).

FEB schedule:
BRU-SIN: 10x
SIN-BRU: 5x

MAY schedule:
BRU-SIN: 4x
SIN-BRU: 2x

Established02

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 16 Feb 2004, 20:34

:dammit: Why is BRU always loosing all the traffic :dammit:

After the commercial airlines, now the cargo airlines :dammit:

Chris

Established02 · Post by **Established02** » 16 Feb 2004, 21:47

I just noticed that there is a thread on the SQ Cargo issue on Airliners.net.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/ge ... n/1403843/

> Why is BRU always loosing all the traffic

I guess because of the strength of BRU's competitors.

Let's hope that BIAC and Aviapartner will not be discouraged too much by this defeat.

Established02

Sabena_690 · Post by **Sabena_690** » 16 Feb 2004, 21:56

I noticed in the schedule planner that Established02 gave us above, that quite a lot of our SQC traffic is put on trucks to AMS.

After SQC asking additional slots at AMS, I'm afraid this is a terribly worrying sign.

I heard that also other cargo airlines (I'm not talking about DHL) start to become fed up with all the noise regulations/limits/... caused by the idiot protestors around the airport.

What will be left within 2 years when this trend continuous?

Frederic

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 16 Feb 2004, 22:42

Sabena_690 wrote: What will be left within 2 years when this trend continuous?

NOTHING

There won't be any traffic at BRU if it continues like that.

It's also a vicous circle , if you see what I mean. The fewer airlines you have, the fewer will be attracted by your airport.

It's sad to say, but I fear for the futur of BRU. It's gonna be hard for SNBA to try to attract other companies flying in codeshare with them on long haul.

Let's hope for the futur to be brighter than it is right know

Greetz
Chris

TWA · Post by **TWA** » 16 Feb 2004, 23:48

I read somewhere on this site that SQ and Thai pax services would come back to bru for the winter season

TWA

Post by **sn26567** » 17 Feb 2004, 10:54

Sabena_690 wrote:I heard that also other cargo airlines (I'm not talking about DHL) start to become fed up with all the noise regulations/limits/... caused by the idiot protestors around the airport.

Do you think this is the main factor? Only DHL is interested in these regulations, because they are the biggest user of night flights. SQC is not a night bird. There are enough slots available at BRU.

The main reason might well be that AMS has better marketing and PR than BRU.

Wake up, BIAC! (But what can you expect with a politician at the helm?)

L-1011 · Post by **L-1011** » 17 Feb 2004, 16:02

sn26567 wrote: Wake up, BIAC! (But what can you expect with a politician at the helm?)

Not much indeed, but are the other big european airports managed privately

ciao,
TriStar