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'Multiple fatalities' in Kentucky plane crash

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A Delta commuter flight -- en route from Lexington, Kentucky, to Atlanta, Georgia -- crashed just after take-off from Blue Grass Airport on Sunday, and airlines and airport officials reported "multiple fatalities."

Federal Aviation Administration officials said Delta Flight 5191 -- which was operated by Delta's commuter carrier, Comair -- crashed around 7 a.m. ET in a wooded area about a mile from the Lexington airport on its way to Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/27/plane.crash/index.html
http://www.standaard.be/Artikel/Detail. ... 082006_019

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Normal schedule was:

DL5191 LEX-ATL 06h00-07h18 CRJ operated by Comair Inc.

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WASHINGTON, Aug 27 (Reuters) - A Comair jet crashed on Sunday shortly after takeoff in Lexington, Kentucky, and all 50 people on board were killed according to preliminary reports.............the plane, flight 5191, left Lexington's Blue Grass Airport, bound for Atlanta. CNN said it went down in woods at about 7 a.m. EDT (1100 GMT), approximately a mile (1.5 km) from the airport.There was no early indication of what caused the crash.
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One Survivor?

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One Survivor Reported In Crash Of Commuter Airline Plane
Comair Flight (5)191 bound to Atlanta.
at 6:07 a.m. (1007 GMT)
Bombardier Canadair CRJ-100 regional jet, largely intact, but there was a fire after the crash.
SOB 50 47 pax and 3 crew.
Crash site: about a mile from Blue Grass Airport in Lexington, Ky.
Light rain was falling at the time, visibility was 13km.
The deaths were caused either by the impact or the “hot fire” on board.
The University of Kentucky hospital is treating one survivor, who is in critical condition.

Blue Grass Airport was closed for 3 hours after the crash, but reopened by 9 a.m. (1300 GMT).
Blue Grass Airport-Lex
859 425 3100
4000 Terminal Dr # 206
Lexington, KY 40510, United States
bluegrassairport.com

:?: A local television station reported the plane may have taken off from the wrong runway...

But how could that be incidental with the crash, a mile from the airport?
Comair president Don Bornhorst said in a press conference that Flight 5191 crashed about a half-mile from the end of a runway.

A source told WLWT-TV that the plane might have taken off from the wrong runway. The jet clipped trees shortly after taking off.

I had a look on Google Earth, but no real clue where the crash site is located.
btw, what is the use of such 'wrong runway', unless for lighter aviation?
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The secondary RWY was not only half of the length (3500ft iso 7000ft) but also in bad condition. Both RWY beginnings are very close to each-other so there is a posibility they entered the wrong RWY. (see http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0608/00697AD.PDF)
A local television station reported the plane may have taken off from the wrong runway...

But how could that be incidental with the crash, a mile from the airport?
Simple: when almost at the end, they pulled up with just sufficient speed to get airborne but eventually stalled. This happened a couple of times. These are offcourse only rumours as there is no official report yet.

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Works not terminated?

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EBAW_flyer wrote:The secondary RWY was not only half of the length (3500ft iso 7000ft) but also in bad condition. Both RWY beginnings are very close to each-other so there is a posibility they entered the wrong RWY.
Simple: when almost at the end, they pulled up with just sufficient speed to get airborne but eventually stalled. This happened a couple of times. These are offcourse only rumours as there is no official report yet.
Lexington airport was closed for several days earlier in the month to have its runways paved....

FlightView Monitor Blue Grass Airport, KY

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Blue Grass Airport Back Open After Weekend Repaving Of Runway

Comair President Can't Confirm If Plane Took Off From Wrong Runway

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Blue Grass Airport Shutdown for Runway Repaving Aug 22, 2006 06:23 AM

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From the streetlights and the closure of Versailles Rd, it seems to be the shorter of the two runways?
btw, on the other side of Versailles Rd there is Keeneland

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I wonder what happened to that plane, usually the Bombardier CRJ's are very safe aircraft.

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Reports are that the plane tried to take off the wrong runway, and based on the position of the wreckage its hard to see how this could not be the case.

There also is an article quoting the owner of the farm where the plane crashed in which he says the following.
The owner of the farm where Comair Flight 5191 crashed said the plane “obviously … used the wrong runway."

Nick Bentley said the plane must have used the airport's shorter runway, which is about 3,400 feet. The main runway is 7,000 feet

He said the plane hit an 8-foot fence between his property and the airport, and clipped several trees.

The smaller runway is for use by small aircraft, not commercial planes.

Bentley said he did not go the crash site, but he can see the fence from other locations on his land.
http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/15375985.htm

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Mordoch wrote:Reports are that the plane tried to take off the wrong runway
That would be runway 8/26 iso 4/22.
The pilot would have turned left to the first runway coming from the apron?
Indeed, an asphalt overlay of the entire existing length of Runway 4-22 was done during the weekend.
Work on the 48-hour project required an estimated 33,000 tons of asphalt to pave the 7,000 feet x 150 feet 4/22 runway.

This runway crosses the 8/26 at 1/4 of its length.

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The surviver is a crew member.

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The firemen were able to get one crew member out alive, but the fire was devastating.

Fayette County Coroner Gary Ginn said. "Most of the injuries are going to be due to fire-related deaths."

Note:
A Bombardier Canadair CRJ-100 needs 4,500 feet to 5,000 feet before it lifts off. The runway used, is about 3,500 feet.
But the CRJ-100 was airborn, if it had not met the trees it might have gained more altitude*.
No investigation needed to know that this disaster is due to a human mistake.


*This is a hidden message to the guys in trees of Borsbeek. You had chosen a dangerous domicile...

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Re: The surviver is a crew member.

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*This is a hidden message to the guys in trees of Borsbeek. You had chosen a dangerous domicile...
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I'm afraid they don't read luchtzak.be

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wrong runway. So stupid.
The first reports about the possebility that most passengers survided the crash but perished because of the fire reminds me about that documentory on National Geographic about another USA crash with the same result.

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regi wrote:wrong runway. So stupid.
The first reports about the possebility that most passengers survided the crash but perished because of the fire reminds me about that documentory on National Geographic about another USA crash with the same result.
Sorry Regi but an accident is always stupid.

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Airbus330lover wrote:
regi wrote:wrong runway. So stupid.
The first reports about the possebility that most passengers survided the crash but perished because of the fire reminds me about that documentory on National Geographic about another USA crash with the same result.
Sorry Regi but an accident is always stupid.
How could that be possible, is it TWR who has make en error, or the CPT has not read the correct communication? :roll:

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Error in Comair crash fairly common
The pilots of Comair Flight 5191, who tried to take off from the wrong runway in Lexington, Ky.
A must read.

Comair's History, Airline's Third Crash

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Only one controller was in the tower at 6:07 a.m. Sunday, when the CRJ100 attempted to take off on a runway too short for it to gain enough speed to become airborne.
Two controllers are in the tower on weekdays but only one controller was scheduled for the weekend overnight shift because traffic was significantly lighter.

Had an air traffic controller at Lexington noticed the pilot of Comair Flight 5191 lining up on the wrong runway, the accident might have been prevented.

(Als het kalf verdronken is, we say in Dutch....)

Goto: Select an album from the gallery at right to view one of the featured slideshows from the Lexington Herald-Leader. select Plane crash.... then goto pictyre 6, and you will see where the trees are standing at the end of the runway....

It looks to me, if these trees weren't there....

See on pic 01, the runway sign...

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SN30952 wrote:It looks to me, if these trees weren't there....
Maybe the front landing gear collapsed... NTSB will tell

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BMO wrote:How could that be possible, is it TWR who has make en error, or the CPT has not read the correct communication? :roll:
The taxiway at Lexington's airport was altered just a week before the jet tried to take off.

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