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It is very acceptable if you use common sense :the problem then would be a massive concentration of flights on Flanders only. Not acceptable.
Spooky !! Omg ! giving something to Wallonia ? Spooky !What about the transition period, full of opportunities for EBCI and EBLG ? Senseless.
As if they needed thatWhat about the transition period, full of opportunities for EBCI and EBLG ? Senseless.
You don't get it. A la guerre comme à la guerre. If you declare someone war, you may expect the unexpected. If Brussels is going to hurt the economy of Flanders by hurting Brussels Airport (= as Vanhengel & Vervoort promise), there are dozens of Conflicts of interest that Flanders can use to force Brussels to decide otherwise. Just one example: last month, the Brussels Government has published a law (arrêté/arrest) about a tax on holiday accommodation. Flanders can call a Conflict of interest for this Brussels law, stating that the tax is too law and therefore gives Brussels too much advantage to Flanders. Result: no tourism tax income for Brussels during 60 days... And away from micriphones and cameras, Flanders tells Brussels that the Conflict will be dropped when Brussels amends it noise restrictions.
Seriously, extend 25L with 2 kms and make it a 5 km runway? And only use 25L for take offs? Apart from the trumendous cost for this extension (hundreds of houses have to be bought and abolished), it simply can't work for cargo aircraft. Just calculate the taxi time from Brucargo to that new 25L: it will be 20-30 minutes.
To be more precise, the economy of flanders (honestly not really at hurt in that matter) could be "easily" saved by taking more flights above flemish territory.
Passenger wrote: ↑18 Feb 2017, 18:57You don't get it. A la guerre comme à la guerre. If you declare someone war, you may expect the unexpected. If Brussels is going to hurt the economy of Flanders by hurting Brussels Airport (= as Vanhengel & Vervoort promise), there are dozens of Conflicts of interest that Flanders can use to force Brussels to decide otherwise. Just one example: last month, the Brussels Government has published a law (arrêté/arrest) about a tax on holiday accommodation. Flanders can call a Conflict of interest for this Brussels law, stating that the tax is too law and therefore gives Brussels too much advantage to Flanders. Result: no tourism tax income for Brussels during 60 days... And away from micriphones and cameras, Flanders tells Brussels that the Conflict will be dropped when Brussels amends it noise restrictions.
Seriously, extend 25L with 2 kms and make it a 5 km runway? And only use 25L for take offs? Apart from the trumendous cost for this extension (hundreds of houses have to be bought and abolished), it simply can't work for cargo aircraft. Just calculate the taxi time from Brucargo to that new 25L: it will be 20-30 minutes.
Do you have any source for that ?
Strictly speaking, I'm waiting for studies
Be serious for a min. Belgium is already so crowded that it is never never never possible to build a new big airport. Everywhere you have a lot of people living or some big industries and restrictions. And be sure that on other places they will even demonstrate much more and harder bcs they have the example of Brussels and they will do exactly the same. So what is the solution than??? And as second, the more you move to left, right, up or down, the more you come closer to CDG, AMS, FRA, etc. Don't you think that airlines will not decide to leave BRU and to concentrate on those airports???jan_olieslagers wrote: ↑18 Feb 2017, 18:28I am aware it can never be easy. But something needs to be done, right now. And think of the awful opportunities for real-estate development at the present BRU site... that would make up for a good deal of the cost.There is no more space left to build an airport near Brussels. Even in Belgium.
Removing an entire village like in Munich ? Don't think so ...
Both Brussels and Flanders need the airport badly for their economy. Brussels needs international tourists and businessmen/women, and they come in via BRU. Hotels, restaurants, shops, convention centres, taxis in Brussels are dead without tourists and businessmen flying into BRU. Flanders mainly needs the airport because of its general interest to the industry: cargo, business connections.
I ask the question directly to you Atlantis what do you think to make from 25L also a take off runway?Atlantis wrote: ↑18 Feb 2017, 21:34Be serious for a min. Belgium is already so crowded that it is never never never possible to build a new big airport. Everywhere you have a lot of people living or some big industries and restrictions. And be sure that on other places they will even demonstrate much more and harder bcs they have the example of Brussels and they will do exactly the same. So what is the solution than??? And as second, the more you move to left, right, up or down, the more you come closer to CDG, AMS, FRA, etc. Don't you think that airlines will not decide to leave BRU and to concentrate on those airports???jan_olieslagers wrote: ↑18 Feb 2017, 18:28I am aware it can never be easy. But something needs to be done, right now. And think of the awful opportunities for real-estate development at the present BRU site... that would make up for a good deal of the cost.There is no more space left to build an airport near Brussels. Even in Belgium.
Removing an entire village like in Munich ? Don't think so ...
Don't forget the huge investments they made the last years.
All other airports are even not able to handle the traffic what BRU is handling. Or they are too small or they are hopeless old like OST and ANR. Think about what it will cost.
You want to develop real estate at the the BRU site?? Yeah right, with an already fully congested highways, secondairy roads, etc. My God, that would be even a much more disaster bcs it will even more concentrate people to a certain place.
Let all members please think clearly instead of having a bunch of fetish ideas which is not realistic. Whith moving away the airport, also the airlines will stay away and all multinationals, NATO, HQ, etc
Please.....
But in Flanders some politicians rely also to this two groups.....!Passenger wrote: ↑18 Feb 2017, 21:43Both Brussels and Flanders need the airport badly for their economy. Brussels needs international tourists and businessmen/women, and they come in via BRU. Hotels, restaurants, shops, convention centres, taxis in Brussels are dead without tourists and businessmen flying into BRU. Flanders mainly needs the airport because of its general interest to the industry: cargo, business connections.
But let's admit it: it's a political poker play, with a few political parties having an advantage: some have electors who don't mind at all that the airport looses traffic to AMS or FRA or CDG or MUC. When you are settled in unemployment or other wellfare system, you simply don't care about the economy. When you are an eco-activist, your priority is to have as little aircraft in the air and as little trucks on the road as possible. Unfortunately, some Brussels polticians rely on these two groups.
Inter'nl tourists and businessmen/women could easily come via other Airports, or by rail. Ryanair built it's business on this base. CRL, ANR, OST, LGG... Or AMS, FRA and CDG can take the relay in a finger snap (CRL, for sure). Would be stupid, I admit. But stupidity is common to humans.Passenger wrote: ↑18 Feb 2017, 21:43Brussels needs international tourists and businessmen/women, and they come in via BRU. Hotels, restaurants, shops, convention centres, taxis in Brussels are dead without tourists and businessmen flying into BRU. Flanders mainly needs the airport because of its general interest to the industry: cargo, business connections.
Question is : what kind of world do we want ? Let's stay honnest, everyone thinks there are right.Passenger wrote: ↑18 Feb 2017, 21:43 But let's admit it: it's a political poker play, with a few political parties having an advantage: some have electors who don't mind at all that the airport looses traffic to AMS or FRA or CDG or MUC. When you are settled in unemployment or other wellfare system, you simply don't care about the economy. When you are an eco-activist, your priority is to have as little aircraft in the air and as little trucks on the road as possible. Unfortunately, some Brussels polticians rely on these two groups.
And what will be the taxi time for cargo aircraft, from Brucargo to the new Vanhengel 25L? At least 20 minutes. For those who sometimes leave from AMS: when you have to take off from 36L, and when 36C is also in use, you wonder if you are going to ride to destination, or fly.
