BKK-GVA-BRU & vv

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 31 Jul 2003, 20:13

The rumour has it here in Thailand that TG is planning aBKK-GVA-BRU & vv from summer 2004 on.
Is it only to close the door to the private thai operators? As they cannot stop an eventual Belgian operator.
Note that Phuket airlines is negotiating the lease of 2 B747, and that plans exsist for another operator to fly from Skandinavia.
Fons SN30952

Sabena_690 · Post by **Sabena_690** » 31 Jul 2003, 22:14

I highly doubt if the info about the GVA stop is correct.

Thanks for the rumour!

Regards
Frederic

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 01 Aug 2003, 06:49

Frederic,
The GVA stop on the BKK BRU & vv has neither been denied in Thailand nor at BIAC. Moreover, this flight would at this time be a solely TG one.
Fons
PS
But as I mentioned too, it would rather be a tactical play of TG, in order to close the traffic rights door to other thai operators. Do they have the equipment to operate?

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 01 Aug 2003, 07:48

Thai / United (Aug01, 2003)
Thai is still in talks with United about the purchase of 7 Boeing 747-400s. The airline expects these talks to be concluded by Sep03, if they are not Thai will likely look to other airlines for more aircraft. (www.justplanes.com)
Fons

Post by **sn26567** » 01 Aug 2003, 09:16

Thai is already flying BKK-ZRH-GVA thrice a week (TG972) with a 744. This is a blow in the face of the former Swissair, which wanted to concentrate all intercontinental flights in ZRH and eliminate GVA as an intercontinental destination. This policy has been retained by Swiss.

Since TG and LX are already codesharing twice a day on BKK-ZRH (and I doubt it they can fill their MD11s), it seems a bright move to have weekly three of these flights avoid ZRH and serve BRU instead.

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 01 Aug 2003, 11:07

sn26567 wrote:...it seems a bright move to have weekly three of these flights avoid ZRH and serve BRU instead.

Yeah tha would be great. Bru would be connected to Asia again, and we could be able to spot a new B747 at BRU.

Chris

744rules · Post by **744rules** » 01 Aug 2003, 14:40

He guys,

why not having EVA serving BRU with pax ? I know the flights ex LHR and AMS go thru BKK, and seems that this destination takes the largest part of the capacity on those routes.

They are also working to have their cargo hub in BRU as well, with about 8 flts a week to start with. If they get the guarantee they can operate the 747 24h/day without fines (due noise), they consider to bring in that a/c as well

:wave:

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 01 Aug 2003, 15:13

Which version of the B747F does EVA operate

Ciao
Chris

Post by **sn26567** » 01 Aug 2003, 15:22

Avro wrote:Which version of the B747F does EVA operate?

Currently they operate 6 MD11F per week between BRU and TPE.

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 01 Aug 2003, 15:26

Thx André but I wanted to know which version of the B747F EVA has in its fleet. I know they have the B747-400 for pax so I was wondering if those freighter were -400's or classics

Chris

Post by **sn26567** » 01 Aug 2003, 15:31

Well then it is the Boeing 747-45EF/SCD

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 01 Aug 2003, 17:00

Allright, Thx André

744rules · Post by **744rules** » 01 Aug 2003, 17:39

Chris,

they have 3 747-400F of their own and one leased, so ttl 4. They also have a few 747-400 combi, but don't know how many.
They also recently converted a MD11 pax (b16102) into freighter, but I don't think we will ever see that in BRU, due to the lower max zfw and max tow (258t vs 283t)

8)

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 01 Aug 2003, 17:44

They also recently converted a MD11 pax (b16102) into freighter, but I don't think we will ever see that in BRU, due to the lower max zfw and max tow (258t vs 283t)

But maybe we could see the B747-400 Combi one day. That's a good compromise, if they want to start flying pax to BRU and increasing there cargo flights.

This may sound ridiculous but what does zfw mean

Ciao
:waving:

Post by **sn26567** » 01 Aug 2003, 17:45

SN30952 wrote:Fons SN30952

Hey Fons, I see from your number that you are almost as ancient at Sabena as myself. What are you doing now in Thailand now?

744rules · Post by **744rules** » 01 Aug 2003, 17:56

sorry Chris,

zfw stands for zero fuel weight. This is the weight of the aircraft+crew+catering+slf (self loading freight = pax)+deadload (cargo, bags, mail,..). It is a structural limit given by the builder of the aircraft. This way you can figure out the maximum load you can carry, if not restricted by other factors.
an example : the DOW (Dry Operating Weight = aircraft + crew + catering) of an eva md11F is around 114000kg. The max zfw is 204706kg. This means that this a/c would be able to carry 90t of freight. I hope its not to complicated, but to have better view in this matter, you should get a basic weight and balance course. As you get a re-run for maths and physics, I suggest we keep this for the beer you will be buying when you've past (check the forum, Duvel is my favourite)

:cheers:

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 01 Aug 2003, 18:07

Thx a lot for those very interessting explanations.

It's a deal I'll buy you a Duvel after my exams, and you'll give me a introduction to the weight and balance court

Chris
:cheers:

vliegtuigfreak · Post by **vliegtuigfreak** » 01 Aug 2003, 21:51

Avro wrote:Yeah tha would be great. Bru would be connected to Asia again, and we could be able to spot a new B747 at BRU.

Yeah, after Sabena and Singapore Airlines now this, yihaa very good for the spotters, a passenger 747 again on BRU

Greetingzz
Sonny

Post by **sn26567** » 01 Aug 2003, 22:10

vliegtuigfreak wrote:Yeah, after Sabena and Singapore Airlines now this, yihaa very good for the spotters, a passenger 747 again on BRU

Hey Sonny, cool down! Nothing is decided yet. It's only a rumour!

bravo767 · Post by **bravo767** » 02 Aug 2003, 18:57

744rules wrote:sorry Chris,

zfw stands for zero fuel weight. This is the weight of the aircraft+crew+catering+slf (self loading freight = pax)+deadload (cargo, bags, mail,..). It is a structural limit given by the builder of the aircraft. This way you can figure out the maximum load you can carry, if not restricted by other factors.
an example : the DOW (Dry Operating Weight = aircraft + crew + catering) of an eva md11F is around 114000kg. The max zfw is 204706kg. This means that this a/c would be able to carry 90t of freight. I hope its not to complicated, but to have better view in this matter, you should get a basic weight and balance course. As you get a re-run for maths and physics, I suggest we keep this for the beer you will be buying when you've past (check the forum, Duvel is my favourite)

:cheers:

Hello,
I was in a group studying the possibility to exploit md11f to and from bru.
We were planning on 85tons payload for 8.5 flight time. The max payload can also be restricted by its volume....
For longer flights it would have been a mix of payload reduction or intermediate fuel stop depending on the total yield.
Happy landings

Aviation24.be

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