BRU Summer 2024: news, new routes, airlines

[Lux_avi]

"Duh...the huge cost of buying modern aircraft to start with..."

Yeah! Right!
So what makes you think Albawings can't do its maths and has no chance due to high fees in BRU (still waiting for numbers though)?
Their B734 probably costs them nothing.

Noise levels according to EASA:

B737-400:
Flyover level:93,6
Flyover limit:96,8
Margin: 3,2
Lateral level: 83,7
Lateral limit: 91,5
Margin: 7,8
Approach level: 95,5
Approach limit: 100,5


A320 CEO:
91,3
96,3
5,0
86,5
90,7
4,2
97,8
Approach limit : 100,1

What numbers do they use in the magic formula in BRU?
Not that I do not believe you, but I am curious to know the extra cost of operating a B734 into BRU in daytime compared to a B738 or B738M for example.

UA still operates the 777 into BRU.
Delta the 767.
Air Canada came all summer long with 777's or 330's.

Make a guess why TUI lost a MAX in favor of an NG last year, one went to an other airline where taxes make it more interesting than in BRU...

No doubt this will change in the future, though.

[Atlantis]

"Duh...the huge cost of buying modern aircraft to start with..."

Yeah! Right!
So what makes you think Albawings can't do its maths and has no chance due to high fees in BRU (still waiting for numbers though)?
Their B734 probably costs them nothing.

Noise levels according to EASA:

B737-400:
Flyover level:93,6
Flyover limit:96,8
Margin: 3,2
Lateral level: 83,7
Lateral limit: 91,5
Margin: 7,8
Approach level: 95,5
Approach limit: 100,5


A320 CEO:
91,3
96,3
5,0
86,5
90,7
4,2
97,8
Approach limit : 100,1

What numbers do they use in the magic formula in BRU?
Not that I do not believe you, but I am curious to know the extra cost of operating a B734 into BRU in daytime compared to a B738 or B738M for example.

UA still operates the 777 into BRU.
Delta the 767.
Air Canada came all summer long with 777's or 330's.

Make a guess why TUI lost a MAX in favor of an NG last year, one went to an other airline where taxes make it more interesting than in BRU...

No doubt this will change in the future, though.

EASA is a guiding line. Practice is different per airport. Some are more tolerant than others. E.g. Leipzig is more tolerant than BRU and we know what happened. The same for LGG and OST but different than AMS

DL is still flying with the B767 bcs they don't have enough new planes to use them to BRU as for them is not a main destination which AMS and CDG are for them. For sure we will see the change in the future. And they receive the invoice for that.

UA and AC are using from time to time the older ones but this bcs of demand and availability. With a slot request they have to stipulate which type of planes they will use, with the side note that it can change due to demand and availability. The invoice is following.

BRU is still not an expensive airport. They have to stay attractive between the big 4. Of course that on certain airports the tax/fee to use a MAX is different than BRU and that makes that the fees for noisy planes, even 20 times higher now, is still not high enough to get rid of the NG.

It's much more than only one fee or one plane. As an airport, and each are doing this, not only BRU, you have to make choices.
And there will always come an old one in, but it will be less and less in the future. Airlines, also like DHL, will be forced to buy new/modern aircraft.

[Lux_avi]

EASA is a guiding line

That's why I asked what BRU airport is using. EASA, the European Aviation Safety Agency is probably not reliable for Belgian politics

DL is still flying with the B767 bcs they don't have enough new planes to use them to BRU as for them is not a main destination which AMS and CDG are for them. For sure we will see the change in the future. And they receive the invoice for that.

Yes, and that doesn't make their operations unsuccessful. Apparently.

BRU is still not an expensive airport. They have to stay attractive between the big 4. Of course that on certain airports the tax/fee to use a MAX is different than BRU and that makes that the fees for noisy planes, even 20 times higher now, is still not high enough to get rid of the NG.

And that's why I'm wondering how much money we're talking about. 20 times 10€ doesn't make a difference. 20 times 2000€ does.
So, I'm still wondering what makes you think a B734 would not be profitable for Albawings in BRU.

It's much more than only one fee or one plane. As an airport, and each are doing this, not only BRU, you have to make choices.
And there will always come an old one in, but it will be less and less in the future. Airlines, also like DHL, will be forced to buy new/modern aircraft.

Obviously. And guess what, once every airline will be flying modern planes out of BRU, they'll raise the taxes anyway to compensate the loss of revenue for the older planes (which I'm sure they like a lot...).

NIMBY's won't like a B748 any better than a B744. That's for sure.
Even the E2 is annoying people in ANR during daytime, so...

[lumumba]

EASA is a guiding line

That's why I asked what BRU airport is using. EASA, the European Aviation Safety Agency is probably not reliable for Belgian politics

DL is still flying with the B767 bcs they don't have enough new planes to use them to BRU as for them is not a main destination which AMS and CDG are for them. For sure we will see the change in the future. And they receive the invoice for that.

Yes, and that doesn't make their operations unsuccessful. Apparently.

BRU is still not an expensive airport. They have to stay attractive between the big 4. Of course that on certain airports the tax/fee to use a MAX is different than BRU and that makes that the fees for noisy planes, even 20 times higher now, is still not high enough to get rid of the NG.

And that's why I'm wondering how much money we're talking about. 20 times 10€ doesn't make a difference. 20 times 2000€ does.
So, I'm still wondering what makes you think a B734 would not be profitable for Albawings in BRU.

It's much more than only one fee or one plane. As an airport, and each are doing this, not only BRU, you have to make choices.
And there will always come an old one in, but it will be less and less in the future. Airlines, also like DHL, will be forced to buy new/modern aircraft.

Obviously. And guess what, once every airline will be flying modern planes out of BRU, they'll raise the taxes anyway to compensate the loss of revenue for the older planes (which I'm sure they like a lot...).

NIMBY's won't like a B748 any better than a B744. That's for sure.
Even the E2 is annoying people in ANR during daytime, so...

In Antwerpen the Embraer is annoying people and in addition it costs millions to the Flemish community....

[Atlantis]

Ethiopian as from 1st April till 1st June will fly the A350-900xwb to BRU which replaces the B789

As from 3rd June 2 of the 4 direct flights will be with the A350-900 replaces the B789

As from 16 June, 1 of the 3 flights, via Vienna will be with the B789 replaces the B772

[longwings]

UA and AC are using from time to time the older ones but this bcs of demand and availability. With a slot request they have to stipulate which type of planes they will use, with the side note that it can change due to demand and availability.

United stayed with the 787 for the summer season not because of landing charges, but because it is shifting several 777s from EWR and IAD to SFO to support a significant expansion of its Pacific network, meaning only 787s are left to serve BRU and other European airports in the same situation. It is to make up for the lost extra capacity of a 777 that a second frequency was added this summer, in an old 757.

United will take delivery of new 777s starting this year, some for growth some for replacement, and they will primarily operate Pacific routes where their efficiency gains will have a greater impact, while the older 777s will return to TATL ops.

[Atlantis]

Some increases

SAS: Copenhagen - Brussels from 12 to 15 weekly
SAS: Oslo - Brussels from 8 to 12 weekly
SAS: Stockholm - Brussels from 11 to 14 weekly

Aegean Airlines: Athens - Brussels from 12 to 13-14 weekly
Aegean Airlines: Thessaloniki - Brussels from 2 to 3 weekly

[HQ_BRU_Lover]

Thanks for sharing, Atlantis. Although these are not the exciting "exotic" things most of us are looking for, it's a very nice increase in number of movements for sure!

[Atlantis]

Thanks for sharing, Atlantis. Although these are not the exciting "exotic" things most of us are looking for, it's a very nice increase in number of movements for sure!

I know, but for the big ones we still have to wait. Two should release soon and a third big one, not flying yet to BRU is probably not for this year anymore but for next year

[Miqvell]

Some increases

SAS: Copenhagen - Brussels from 12 to 15 weekly
SAS: Oslo - Brussels from 8 to 12 weekly
SAS: Stockholm - Brussels from 11 to 14 weekly

Aegean Airlines: Athens - Brussels from 12 to 13-14 weekly
Aegean Airlines: Thessaloniki - Brussels from 2 to 3 weekly

British Airways and Lufthansa are also reducing
But we can't complain when we have 13 new routes and 4 new airlines (Albawings, Cyprus, Singapore, Wideroe) planned so far.

[theeuropean]

Thanks for sharing, Atlantis. Although these are not the exciting "exotic" things most of us are looking for, it's a very nice increase in number of movements for sure!

I know, but for the big ones we still have to wait. Two should release soon and a third big one, not flying yet to BRU is probably not for this year anymore but for next year

By big ones is that long haul and a relatively big airline or a new destination such as Baku and or Tbilisi or both? Anything potentially coming from SN?

[Miqvell]

Thanks for sharing, Atlantis. Although these are not the exciting "exotic" things most of us are looking for, it's a very nice increase in number of movements for sure!

I know, but for the big ones we still have to wait. Two should release soon and a third big one, not flying yet to BRU is probably not for this year anymore but for next year

By big ones is that long haul and a relatively big airline or a new destination such as Baku and or Tbilisi or both? Anything potentially coming from SN?

You are reading into the future

New Airline & Destination : Georgian Airways adds Tbilisi
• From 31 March 2024
• 3 times a week
• Boeing B737

[B737229]

Flights are already bookable on days 2-4-7
Arriving at 21h leaving BRU at 22h

[Atlantis]

Thanks for sharing, Atlantis. Although these are not the exciting "exotic" things most of us are looking for, it's a very nice increase in number of movements for sure!

I know, but for the big ones we still have to wait. Two should release soon and a third big one, not flying yet to BRU is probably not for this year anymore but for next year

By big ones is that long haul and a relatively big airline or a new destination such as Baku and or Tbilisi or both? Anything potentially coming from SN?

Long haul

[DannyVDB]

Let's start (or continue) guessing.

Some were already announced before, so they are not part of the game (SN to Nairobi, UA second daily to Newark, AC to Toronto, SQ tot SIN ...)?

Two that are already operating to BRU ... (hm, hm)
- Hainan to Shanghai
- United to San Francisco ( more wishful thinking than expected)
- SN to Boston

One that is not (yet/anymore) operating to BRU yet ... (hm, hm)
- Cathay to Hong Kong
- Thai Airways to Bangkok
...
- American to Chicago or Miami
- Juneyao Air to Shanghai (although I am not sure that is possible when another Chinese airline would start the same route)
- South African to Johannesburg
- Air India or Vistara to Dehli or Mumbai

Any other (wild) ideas?

Danny

[DannyVDB]

Forgot:
- DL to Atlanta of course

[Miqvell]

Let's start (or continue) guessing.

- Hainan to Shanghai
- United to San Francisco ( more wishful thinking than expected)

Hainan will serve Shanghai from June
United: the next thing will probably be 2nd daily to IAD, and then maybe IAH. SFO could be further in the future.

[crew1990]

Let's start (or continue) guessing.

Some were already announced before, so they are not part of the game (SN to Nairobi, UA second daily to Newark, AC to Toronto, SQ tot SIN ...)?

Two that are already operating to BRU ... (hm, hm)
- Hainan to Shanghai
- United to San Francisco ( more wishful thinking than expected)
- SN to Boston

One that is not (yet/anymore) operating to BRU yet ... (hm, hm)
- Cathay to Hong Kong
- Thai Airways to Bangkok
...
- American to Chicago or Miami
- Juneyao Air to Shanghai (although I am not sure that is possible when another Chinese airline would start the same route)
- South African to Johannesburg
- Air India or Vistara to Dehli or Mumbai

Any other (wild) ideas?

Danny

SN to Boston, forget it. The trend at the moment is to go at full speed to Africa. there will be new route but don't expect anything out of Africa

[nordikcam]

Let's start (or continue) guessing.

Some were already announced before, so they are not part of the game (SN to Nairobi, UA second daily to Newark, AC to Toronto, SQ tot SIN ...)?

Two that are already operating to BRU ... (hm, hm)
- Hainan to Shanghai
- United to San Francisco ( more wishful thinking than expected)
- SN to Boston

One that is not (yet/anymore) operating to BRU yet ... (hm, hm)
- Cathay to Hong Kong
- Thai Airways to Bangkok
...
- American to Chicago or Miami
- Juneyao Air to Shanghai (although I am not sure that is possible when another Chinese airline would start the same route)
- South African to Johannesburg
- Air India or Vistara to Dehli or Mumbai

Any other (wild) ideas?

Danny

LATAM to GRU or GIG

[Atlantis]

Let's start (or continue) guessing.

Some were already announced before, so they are not part of the game (SN to Nairobi, UA second daily to Newark, AC to Toronto, SQ tot SIN ...)?

Two that are already operating to BRU ... (hm, hm)
- Hainan to Shanghai
- United to San Francisco ( more wishful thinking than expected)
- SN to Boston

One that is not (yet/anymore) operating to BRU yet ... (hm, hm)
- Cathay to Hong Kong
- Thai Airways to Bangkok
...
- American to Chicago or Miami
- Juneyao Air to Shanghai (although I am not sure that is possible when another Chinese airline would start the same route)
- South African to Johannesburg
- Air India or Vistara to Dehli or Mumbai

Any other (wild) ideas?

Danny

Thai we can expect somehow back, it's a matter of time.

Forget about American, South African or Air India.
Regarding Air India you can read my new topic BRU Winter 2025 - 2026. There will be in the second semester of 2025 a trade mission to India. Don't expect it sooner than 2026