Brussels Airlines in 2024

[Boeing767copilot]

Sad and boring from my side, way to dark, they could have add some bright element, like a simple white shirt

I think the same way

[sn26567]

Sad and boring from my side, way to dark, they could have add some bright element, like a simple white shirt

The white shirt seems to be reserved for pilots.

[fcw]

classy and fresh at the same time:

Depressing, sad and dull are the most heard comments on different forums.
The actual uniform is quite nice and fashionable, one would think there are more important tasks, at SN, to spend money and resources on.

[lumumba]

I like it!

[Boeing767copilot]

classy and fresh at the same time:

Depressing, sad and dull are the most heard comments on different forums.
The actual uniform is quite nice and fashionable, one would think there are more important tasks, at SN, to spend money and resources on.

A strong brand must have accents that can be seen both on the aircraft and among the cabin crew. I can't find that anywhere.
A missed opportunity.

Some good examples:

[oldblueeyes]

classy and fresh at the same time:

Depressing, sad and dull are the most heard comments on different forums.
The actual uniform is quite nice and fashionable, one would think there are more important tasks, at SN, to spend money and resources on.

Branding is as well a part of the overall product, consumer experience etc. up to employee feeling on having a mix of uniform elements that are state of the art, ergonomic, allowing them to be a little bit personal within the rules etc.

Just the "vegan leather" shoes are a kind of overkill formulation. It's plastic fantastic and i don't wanna be near the crew when they would take them out of their feet.

[BRU1702]

Good examples?
Strong accents?

So you just need a yellow scarf or a white shirt to make a uniform best in class? LH Pilots’ uniform is evenly « sad » then…
The one of Swiss isn’t any better in my opinion….
As to OS’s one… sorry but it would even give a blind person a headache…
There, we’re not busy about an « accent » anymore…
This, yet very visible outfit, is terribly visually agressive.

At least AB’s one is quite ok.

Change always seems to come with a certain amount of reluctant and negative people, and much frustration… Give it a chance maybe? Wait to see it for real, then you might have a clear and wise opinion?!

Anyway… tastes and colors…

Taste related aspects put aside, I’m pretty sure you guys can understand that, any airline, any company working with uniforms, as hotels, theme parks, transportation companies (including SNCB/NMBS, STIB/MIVB, TEC and De Lijn), and many more…, have to renew uniform pieces of their personnel every once in a while (no, we normally don’t wear the same single shirt for 10 years in a row!!, mind you ).
Most of these companies work with an annual points allocation system based on work regime, which workers use every year to order some pieces needing replacement. This points allocation is budgeted every year and represents a recurrent cost, as it is a working tool for the workers. A quite regular operating expense actually…
In SN’s case, it has been since Covid period that the orders have been frozen… (except for new joiners, who even didn’t receive a full dotation as it was the case before Covid).
Working for SN myself, I can assure you I do have shoes which urgently need replacement, as well as shirts which are not even close to the white color anymore… the blue ones will look fresher, trust me!
I think SN have saved way enough money since then to be able to afford a full renewal for everyone by now.

So don’t worry for our budget and resources, and the way SN allocate tasks of the Uniforms’ department personnel.
Rest assured, the way the money has been spent lately as to that matter is quite under control, to say the least!

It’s not because something isn’t understandable at first sight that there is no rationale behind it, and every one taking part to the decision you’re questioning yourself about is the least qualified person you can think of, just because it’s SN…

So stop being concerned about our financials guys. Stay open, have a glass, relax and enjoy the weekend!

classy and fresh at the same time:

Depressing, sad and dull are the most heard comments on different forums.
The actual uniform is quite nice and fashionable, one would think there are more important tasks, at SN, to spend money and resources on.

A strong brand must have accents that can be seen both on the aircraft and among the cabin crew. I can't find that anywhere.
A missed opportunity.

Some good examples:


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[fcw]

It’s not because something isn’t understandable at first sight that there is no rationale behind it, and every one taking part to the decision you’re questioning yourself about is the least qualified person you can think of, just because it’s SN…

So stop being concerned about our financials guys. Stay open, have a glass, relax and enjoy the weekend! :

Not understandable? It’s crystal clear: SN wants to jump on the woke bandwagon, but companies doing so out of commercial interest is the exact reason why the term ‘woke’ has become so divisive that it is harming support for the issues it is meant to be highlighting.
Happy to hear the finances are more than fine! So last week’s strike wasn’t about money, but just a willy-waving contest between management and pilots to annoy customers?

[longwings]

On a side note, SN contributes around 36,5% of the Brussels airport traffic at this moment.

This is a surprisingly low number. Is that about average? Lufthansa, Air France, and British Airways all have about ten percentage points more in their respective home airports (and these are the only three I have numbers for readily available). On the one hand, I get that BRU attracts a lot of traffic from all parts of the EU and its near neighbors because of the institutions, on the other hand, I would expect LHR to be similarly attractive to foreign carriers... because it is London, yet BA has a 46% market share. Does it indicate that Brussels' long-haul activities are comparatively underdeveloped?

You know the crew are overnighting in “tents” in a National Park lodge close to Ndjili.

Why are they not in a hotel? Might not have looked in the right places but I couldn't find out.

[lumumba]

You know the crew are overnighting in “tents” in a National Park lodge close to Ndjili.

Why are they not in a hotel? Might not have looked in the right places but I couldn't find out.

They stopped going to the Memling Hotel because it was a 3h driving to arrive there it's a big mess between the Airport and the City.

[crew1990]

Does it indicate that Brussels' long-haul activities are comparatively underdeveloped?

There are indeed some room to grow on long haul sector. This is why the long haul fleet will grow at a rate of 1 A330 per year, thanks to the A330 leaving Lufthansa fleet.

Why are they not in a hotel? Might not have looked in the right places but I couldn't find out.

Because the city of Kinshasa where all hotels are is 3-4h away from the airport because of traffic jam. The 2 option to avoid that was to send the crew by jet to Brazaville like it was in the past during political unrest. Or to send the crew sleeping in tent in a national park. One option beeing much cheaper than the other... as a result there as been an explosion of malaria case withing the crew.

[Atlantis]

On a side note, SN contributes around 36,5% of the Brussels airport traffic at this moment.

This is a surprisingly low number. Is that about average? Lufthansa, Air France, and British Airways all have about ten percentage points more in their respective home airports (and these are the only three I have numbers for readily available). On the one hand, I get that BRU attracts a lot of traffic from all parts of the EU and its near neighbors because of the institutions, on the other hand, I would expect LHR to be similarly attractive to foreign carriers... because it is London, yet BA has a 46% market share. Does it indicate that Brussels' long-haul activities are comparatively underdeveloped?

SN was always around this %. Also don't forget that during Covid 9 planes, if I remember well, were taken out of the fleet.
Long haul is still not on the pre Covid level.

But in March the 9th A330 will enter the fleet and nr 10 is also foreseen for this year

[Atlantis]

Sorry, small correction, nr 10 will enter the fleet in March

[crew1990]

Long haul is still not on the pre Covid level.

From S24 it will even be above the pre-covid level as there will be 10 A330-300 instead of 6 A330-300 and 4 A330-200

[nordikcam]

Long haul is still not on the pre Covid level.

From S24 it will even be above the pre-covid level as there will be 10 A330-300 instead of 6 A330-300 and 4 A330-200

Number 10 will be D-AIKG ( from LH ) I guess. Which one will be the number 11 ? Thx

[Atlantis]

Long haul is still not on the pre Covid level.

From S24 it will even be above the pre-covid level as there will be 10 A330-300 instead of 6 A330-300 and 4 A330-200

Exactly

[DannyVDB]

Long haul is still not on the pre Covid level.

From S24 it will even be above the pre-covid level as there will be 10 A330-300 instead of 6 A330-300 and 4 A330-200

Were it not 8 A333 and 2 A332?

D

[Atlantis]

Long haul is still not on the pre Covid level.

From S24 it will even be above the pre-covid level as there will be 10 A330-300 instead of 6 A330-300 and 4 A330-200

Were it not 8 A333 and 2 A332?

D

Hi Danny,

It became an all A333 fleet. All A332 are out of the fleet.
The same will be with the A319, they will be replaced by an all A320 fleet

Future will tell but for now only 2 types will be, A320 and A333

[Atlantis]

Long haul is still not on the pre Covid level.

From S24 it will even be above the pre-covid level as there will be 10 A330-300 instead of 6 A330-300 and 4 A330-200

Number 10 will be D-AIKG ( from LH ) I guess. Which one will be the number 11 ? Thx

Indeed, that plane will be transferred in 2024 to SN. It was btw already flying for SN in the past (2019)

[Homo Aeroportus]

Indeed, that plane will be transferred in 2024 to SN. It was btw already flying for SN in the past (2019)

Yes I remember the announcement at Dakar : "The Eurowings flight with destination Brussels is now ready for boarding".

H.A.