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crew1990 wrote: 29 Nov 2023, 21:00 I don't know anything about any extention of A319 contract.
For example, lease of SSF has been extended this winter. SSH, SNC, SND will leave the fleet. So it’s not always that straight forward.
It all comes down to specific lease contracts and maintenance checks.

Netto S23 vs S24: 2 extra A320, 1 extra A330, 1 A319 replaced by A320neo.
SBE (5th neo) should be operational by June ´24.

SBB will become a new icon (TML), that’s why it’s all white.

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This is exactly the tactical adjustment type i was meaning when raising the question.

Currently there is an additional re-consolidation of A319 in the group:
- EWE is shifting to an all A320 AOC and switching aircraft with EWG
- Lufthansa City is designated as A319 operator and may consolidate the remaining ex OS A319 and the last A319 of the mainline post 2027
- at the same time they would operate A220 or E95-2 from an upcoming order

And the mainline is redistributing end of the tail 320 CEOs to growing brands (and they would need A320NEO fam replacements as well)

Thus beside the strategic upgauging 319->320 which should take some years, there is a tactical option to grow additionaly by:
- extending, even tactical curren 319 leases
- getting used 319 and 320CEO's from the group (and exchanging later these 319 to 320NEOs)

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Kapitein wrote: 26 Nov 2023, 09:55
HQ_BRU_Lover wrote: 23 Nov 2023, 13:43 Has a date for the first revenue flight been set in the meantime?
4th of Decembre there is a event where they will present the new aircraft.
What's been said at today's event?

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sn26567 wrote: 27 Nov 2023, 00:00
Kapitein wrote: 26 Nov 2023, 09:55
HQ_BRU_Lover wrote: 23 Nov 2023, 13:43 Has a date for the first revenue flight been set in the meantime?
4th of Decembre there is a event where they will present the new aircraft.
And Aviation24.be will be present to report.
Strange that, 24 hours later, there is no feedback at all about this...
Disappointing...

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It was an industry event in the Skyhall with many external stakeholders.
You can read about it here: https://www.brusselsairlines.com/be/en/ ... ful-flying

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DeltaWiskey wrote: 05 Dec 2023, 21:17 It was an industry event in the Skyhall with many external stakeholders.
You can read about it here: https://www.brusselsairlines.com/be/en/ ... ful-flying
Thanks for the link...
But normally we get very detailed info directly from members of this group...
Maybe aviation24 was not present at the event, or forgot to post a report...

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Just wondering why SN get the -251 series of engines and all the others LH/LX/OS the -271 series of engines on the NEO

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Kapitein wrote: 06 Dec 2023, 10:04 Just wondering why SN get the -251 series of engines and all the others LH/LX/OS the -271 series of engines on the NEO
Because Lufthansa is upset with their current GTF P&W engine issues, and haven't been compensated accordingly. Hence, the next 30 A320neo and next 9 A321neo of Lufthansa will be powered by CFM (-251), I assume they made the same choice for SN's batch for the same reasons. The LEAP engine is more conservative but also more reliable. P&W is also in trouble with the A220 and E2 programs. Hard times ahead for them...

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Darjeeling wrote: 06 Dec 2023, 13:35
Kapitein wrote: 06 Dec 2023, 10:04 Just wondering why SN get the -251 series of engines and all the others LH/LX/OS the -271 series of engines on the NEO
Beacuse Lufthansa is upset with their current GTF P&W engines issues, and haven't been compensated accordingly. Hence, the next 30 A320neo and next A321neo of Lufthansa will be powered by CFM (-251), they did the same choice for SN's batch. The LEAP engine is more conservative but also more reliable. P&W is also in troubles with the A220 and E2 programs.
My "theory" is that Lufthansa does not like to put all the egg in one basket. This is why they have 787 and A350, A380 and 747-800 having negociation with Embraer and Airbus for an E-jet vs A220 order, negociation with boeing to maybe get 737max. So given this trend, this seems logical to also have 2 engine providers.

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Kapitein wrote: 06 Dec 2023, 10:04 Just wondering why SN get the -251 series of engines and all the others LH/LX/OS the -271 series of engines on the NEO
Simply....At very large volumes the economies of scale become minimal thus some considerations of risk mitigation prevail. On group level there are approx 420 Airbus 320 family aircraft, with ITA joining the group and some growth we may speak soon about around 500.

The double engine strategy was planned from the beginning , where available - LH and Swiss planned to become the PWs, EW, SN and OS the LEAPs. OS got PW altough otherwise planned, so let's see if there would be a switch back.

On regional aircraft and long haul where numbers are smaller, there is an alternate between the models between the sizes, typically with the best suited model for a certain size chosen. 789 fits better at OS because of the range, A350 better to Swiss due to more space (and First offering) and so on.

IAG is dealing in the same way, eg by switching the Vueling fleet to B737 and keeping the network brands with A320 family.

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The future A320neo OO-SBB photographed today by Nuno Seletti in TLS (posted on X)

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Already to be deliver in the following days.

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OO-SBA didn't fly to ZRH this morning, first flight postponed to...?

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HQ_BRU_Lover wrote: 08 Dec 2023, 08:58 OO-SBA didn't fly to ZRH this morning, first flight postponed to...?
First flight today to VIE ETD 1600LT

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/sn2905

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B737229 wrote: 12 Dec 2023, 11:34
HQ_BRU_Lover wrote: 08 Dec 2023, 08:58 OO-SBA didn't fly to ZRH this morning, first flight postponed to...?
First flight today to VIE ETD 1600LT

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/sn2905
Exciting! Somebody around the airport to snap some pictures and share via www.aviation24.be/contact ? (or this forum)

Thx!

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One of the A319 is in the paint shop: OO-SSA ...

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Some screenshots from the latest Youtube videos posted by Brussels Airlines.

I must say, the logo on the new seats looks very classy!

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I love the extra large bins (experienced them when flying to Zurich on a similar A320neo).

It improves so much the boarding time ... I only hope pax will now not bring even more luggage :?

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DannyVDB wrote: 13 Dec 2023, 20:17 One of the A319 is in the paint shop: OO-SSA ...

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OO-SSA is back from the paint shop in East Midlands (EMA), now OO-SSB flew there for its paintjob (yesterday). Only 3 A319 left in the old livery. A bit strange since I thought 5 would leave the fleet to be replaced by the A320neo. Why repainting some when they will leave the fleet in a few months?

Currently 5 planes are in maintenance (in different places), 1 is 'on the ground' due to technical reasons (in Abidjan)

Total number of planes in new livery: 19 (including one special livery)
Total number of planes in STAR livery: 4
Total number of planes in EW livery: 3
Total number of planes in old SN livery: 13
Total number of (non-adapted) special liveries: 4

Source: https://sites.google.com/view/europeanairlinefleets/bel

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DannyVDB wrote: 17 Dec 2023, 10:23 OO-SSA is back from the paint shop in East Midlands (EMA), now OO-SSB flew there for its paintjob (yesterday). Only 3 A319 left in the old livery. A bit strange since I thought 5 would leave the fleet to be replaced by the A320neo. Why repainting some when they will leave the fleet in a few months?
SSA and SSB are not going out of the fleet soon (btw, unlike their regs. might suggest they are also not the oldest in the fleet)

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