Air Belgium in 2023

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Re: Air Belgium in 2023

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Post by sn26567 » 14 Sep 2023, 22:37

JOVAN2 wrote: ↑14 Sep 2023, 17:16
There is a new aviation ageement between Belgium.and PRChinawith s big incres ine on flights between both countries. Cargo and Pax.
Hopefully. a new opportunity for AB.to.open some
Destinations there.
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/air- ... -to-china/
In the US, Chinese Airliners were allowed to increase their frequencies on certain routes to different US cities but only on condition that those additional routes would make the same detour as what the US companies are doing when they fly to China, ie. avoid Russian airspace.
I assume the same is not going to apply in this case to Chinese airliners coming to Belgium...
For as far as I can see, also in other European countries the Chinese were allowed to increase their frequencies without the penalty of having to fly a detour. In English it's called "level playing field"...
Of all the peoples in the world, the western Europeans are the most naive :roll:

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OO-JFP wrote: 15 Sep 2023, 13:16
Post by sn26567 » 14 Sep 2023, 22:37

JOVAN2 wrote: ↑14 Sep 2023, 17:16
There is a new aviation ageement between Belgium.and PRChinawith s big incres ine on flights between both countries. Cargo and Pax.
Hopefully. a new opportunity for AB.to.open some
Destinations there.
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/air- ... -to-china/
In the US, Chinese Airliners were allowed to increase their frequencies on certain routes to different US cities but only on condition that those additional routes would make the same detour as what the US companies are doing when they fly to China, ie. avoid Russian airspace.
I assume the same is not going to apply in this case to Chinese airliners coming to Belgium...
For as far as I can see, also in other European countries the Chinese were allowed to increase their frequencies without the penalty of having to fly a detour. In English it's called "level playing field"...
Of all the peoples in the world, the western Europeans are the most naive :roll:

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Totally agree. US create, Asia copy, EU put regulation

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Airbus330lover wrote: 15 Sep 2023, 20:43
OO-JFP wrote: 15 Sep 2023, 13:16
Post by sn26567 » 14 Sep 2023, 22:37

JOVAN2 wrote: ↑14 Sep 2023, 17:16
There is a new aviation ageement between Belgium.and PRChinawith s big incres ine on flights between both countries. Cargo and Pax.
Hopefully. a new opportunity for AB.to.open some
Destinations there.
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/air- ... -to-china/
In the US, Chinese Airliners were allowed to increase their frequencies on certain routes to different US cities but only on condition that those additional routes would make the same detour as what the US companies are doing when they fly to China, ie. avoid Russian airspace.
I assume the same is not going to apply in this case to Chinese airliners coming to Belgium...
For as far as I can see, also in other European countries the Chinese were allowed to increase their frequencies without the penalty of having to fly a detour. In English it's called "level playing field"...
Of all the peoples in the world, the western Europeans are the most naive :roll:

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Totally agree. US create, Asia copy, EU put regulation
I never understood why this border is not closed?!
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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lumumba wrote: 16 Sep 2023, 00:09
I never understood why this border is not closed?!
Off topic, but exactly! Just close all airways to/from the Russian border, it would make the sanctions a lot more effective.

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Air Belgium ceases passenger operations (in Dutch):

https://www.tijd.be/ondernemen/luchtvaa ... 93393.html

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Bralo20 wrote: 18 Sep 2023, 14:07 Air Belgium ceases passenger operations (in Dutch):

https://www.tijd.be/ondernemen/luchtvaa ... 93393.html
Air Belgium’s Board of Directors decides to focus its development exclusively on cargo and ACMI and files for judicial reorganisation by way of amicable agreement to ensure its long-term viability and growth

https://air-belgium.prezly.com/air-belg ... and-growth

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https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2023/09/18 ... ersvlucht/

Also confirmed to vrt news.

Very sad to hear, unfortunately :(

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Just a logic evolution.

The company does not have a feeding network and P2P without this works in Europe just in 2 large catchements - London and Paris.

All the rest - Norwegian, Level (from BCN), Eurowings decentral with 332 etc. didn't work.

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Now they can ACMI for SN....

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Airbus330lover wrote: 18 Sep 2023, 15:26 Now they can ACMI for SN....
That would be amazing actually. But I don't see it happening

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A pity... I loved to fly with them!

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Matt wrote: 18 Sep 2023, 15:34
Airbus330lover wrote: 18 Sep 2023, 15:26 Now they can ACMI for SN....
That would be amazing actually. But I don't see it happening
They can still ACMI for the Royal Family, the Government, the Red Devils, ...
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Airbus330lover wrote: 18 Sep 2023, 15:26 Now they can ACMI for SN....
Why not, there is plenty of need if SN continues stubbornly to fly to destination where people are incompetent and the infrastructure is in disrepair according to some.
So the "flag carrier" will be immediately identified in this priority market for the LH Group with its variety of colour schemes :
* 4 Bee tails
* 2 Eurowings
* 2 Smarties
* 1 Eurowhite w/ Bee tail

:mrgreen:

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This is sad news for both Air Belgium and the Belgian aviation in a whole.
I guess the lack of feeder flights from Europe wasnt good for them either. Sad to see them go.

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https://air-cosmos.com/article/transpor ... ociallymap

According to this article, the 2 A330neos will go back to the lessors

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brabel wrote: 18 Sep 2023, 16:49 Sad to see them go.
They are not gone yet. They want to stick to cargo and ACMI.
Which was to be expected...

For how long is another question.

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Matt wrote: 18 Sep 2023, 19:25 https://air-cosmos.com/article/transpor ... ociallymap

According to this article, the 2 A330neos will go back to the lessors
This might be actually an opportunity to open the door for the NEO's at SN.
For sure it makes no sense to fly them nowhere in Africa , but they might be cash cows for transatlantic routes, if managed well.
And LH demonstrated recently that they can do well being opportunistic.

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Very sad, but predicted like I did a few years ago. You can't survive from BRU without feeder flights. It's just burning money and not having good investors.

I hope LH let SN the opportunity to use one of the remaining pax planes from KF for the time one of their own got stuck.

If the LH group is not helping why not HiFly of KF?

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brabel wrote: 18 Sep 2023, 16:49 This is sad news for both Air Belgium and the Belgian aviation in a whole.
I guess the lack of feeder flights from Europe wasnt good for them either. Sad to see them go.
They're not gone, they just decided to do the smartest thing and that's to focus on 2 lines of business instead of trying to do everything. I reckon that the ACMI business makes more money (or is less risky) than scheduled flights and as such ensures theat Air Belgium can stay alive. As such maybe it's a good day as Air Belgium finally does what it needed to do all along.

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Atlantis wrote: 18 Sep 2023, 23:43 I hope LH let SN the opportunity to use one of the remaining pax planes from KF for the time one of their own got stuck.

If the LH group is not helping why not HiFly of KF?
I reckon they try to place the aircraft like what Airhub did with Corendon. ACMI doesn't mean the aircraft remains idle all the time waiting for an emergency.

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