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AB keep 3 flights a week even during winter seasons !

Ouch...
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TLspotting wrote: 23 Jul 2018, 20:19 AB keep 3 flights a week even during winter seasons !

Ouch...
Was the plane not to increase and open new destinations?
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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TLspotting wrote: 23 Jul 2018, 20:19 AB keep 3 flights a week even during winter seasons !

Ouch...
Someone knows how much passengers/flight ? European and Chinese ?

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lumumba wrote: 23 Jul 2018, 20:30
TLspotting wrote: 23 Jul 2018, 20:19 AB keep 3 flights a week even during winter seasons !

Ouch...
Was the plane not to increase and open new destinations?
Indeed, OOABD on the way for September and the same month it seems there's also Wuhan...
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TLspotting wrote: 24 Jul 2018, 09:01
lumumba wrote: 23 Jul 2018, 20:30
TLspotting wrote: 23 Jul 2018, 20:19 AB keep 3 flights a week even during winter seasons !

Ouch...
Was the plane not to increase and open new destinations?
Indeed, OOABD on the way for September and the same month it seems there's also Wuhan...
Thanks
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

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What is happening with the on time performance here?
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/af104

21th July: ETD 14h10 -> 14h58 (OO-ABA)
22th July: ETD 14h10 -> 14h39 (operated by AF B777)
23th July: ETD 14h10 -> 16h04 (OO-ABE)
24th July: ETD 14h10 -> 17h36 (OO-ABE)
25th July: ETD 14h10 -> 14h49 (OO-ABE)
26th July: ETD 14h10 -> 15h34 (OO-ABE)
27th July: ETD 14h10 -> 16h10 (OO-ABE)
28th July: ETD 14h10 -> 17h02 (OO-ABE)

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

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Passenger wrote: 28 Jul 2018, 19:25 What is happening with the on time performance here?
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/af104

21th July: ETD 14h10 -> 14h58 (OO-ABA)
22th July: ETD 14h10 -> 14h39 (operated by AF B777)
23th July: ETD 14h10 -> 16h04 (OO-ABE)
24th July: ETD 14h10 -> 17h36 (OO-ABE)
25th July: ETD 14h10 -> 14h49 (OO-ABE)
26th July: ETD 14h10 -> 15h34 (OO-ABE)
27th July: ETD 14h10 -> 16h10 (OO-ABE)
28th July: ETD 14h10 -> 17h02 (OO-ABE)
I do not intend to minimize the delays mentioned hereabove, some of them being unacceptable for the pax involved.

However, I have 3 comments:
1. as you know, the ETD refers to the time the planes are supposed to leave the gates, whereas the indicated departure time is the time of actual take off;
2. we do not know the reason(s) of those delays: it can be AB of course, but also AF (late boarding...), the airport, or any other cause;
3. in order to show your total impartiality, feel free to widen your reporting to long haul flights of other companies such as SN, LH, and others... :)

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

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Passenger wrote: 28 Jul 2018, 19:25 What is happening with the on time performance here?
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/af104

21th July: ETD 14h10 -> 14h58 (OO-ABA)
22th July: ETD 14h10 -> 14h39 (operated by AF B777)
23th July: ETD 14h10 -> 16h04 (OO-ABE)
24th July: ETD 14h10 -> 17h36 (OO-ABE)
25th July: ETD 14h10 -> 14h49 (OO-ABE)
26th July: ETD 14h10 -> 15h34 (OO-ABE)
27th July: ETD 14h10 -> 16h10 (OO-ABE)
28th July: ETD 14h10 -> 17h02 (OO-ABE)
Some passengers can create a mess only by seeing an "Air Belgium" aircraft for an "Air France" flight. They might don't understand why the hell they don't fly with the usual french plane.
"Am I at the wrong gate ?"
"I have bought a ticket with AF, i don't want to fly with AB !"
"Please someone to explain why this is a belgian plane ?"

You should try one day at a gate office ;) You can expect the same delays for flight with SN that are operated by EuroAtlantic,... the flight of Vueling operated py privilege style,...

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Amavro wrote: 28 Jul 2018, 21:48 Some passengers can create a mess only by seeing an "Air Belgium" aircraft for an "Air France" flight. They might don't understand why the hell they don't fly with the usual french plane.
"Am I at the wrong gate ?"
"I have bought a ticket with AF, i don't want to fly with AB !"
"Please someone to explain why this is a belgian plane ?"

You should try one day at a gate office ;) You can expect the same delays for flight with SN that are operated by EuroAtlantic,... the flight of Vueling operated py privilege style,...
I know. And it could be avoided, when airlines would fully respect the European legislation about the name of the operating carrier. When airlines subcharter (i.e. Brussels Airlines -> EuroAtlantic, Air France -> Air Belgium), the initial airline must advise the passengers about this change. It's compulsary by EU-Regulation 2111/2005, a legislation that was introduced after a few deadly crashes in the Middle East from "non reliable" airlines that were used by the carrier who's name was on the ticket.

Quote from Regulation 2111/2005: "...this Regulation stipulates that all passengers must be informed about the identity of the air carrier (or carriers) operating a flight for which they are making a reservation when such flight is departing from or arriving at a Community airport or is part of a trip that starts or finishes in the territory of a Member State. Moreover, wherever the operating air carrier or carriers is or are changed after reservation, passengers must be informed as soon as possible regarding the identity of the new air carrier (or carriers) operating any part of the trip in question..."

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Passenger wrote: 28 Jul 2018, 23:26
Amavro wrote: 28 Jul 2018, 21:48 Some passengers can create a mess only by seeing an "Air Belgium" aircraft for an "Air France" flight. They might don't understand why the hell they don't fly with the usual french plane.
"Am I at the wrong gate ?"
"I have bought a ticket with AF, i don't want to fly with AB !"
"Please someone to explain why this is a belgian plane ?"

You should try one day at a gate office ;) You can expect the same delays for flight with SN that are operated by EuroAtlantic,... the flight of Vueling operated py privilege style,...
I know. And it could be avoided, when airlines would fully respect the European legislation about the name of the operating carrier. When airlines subcharter (i.e. Brussels Airlines -> EuroAtlantic, Air France -> Air Belgium), the initial airline must advise the passengers about this change. It's compulsary by EU-Regulation 2111/2005, a legislation that was introduced after a few deadly crashes in the Middle East from "non reliable" airlines that were used by the carrier who's name was on the ticket.

Quote from Regulation 2111/2005: "...this Regulation stipulates that all passengers must be informed about the identity of the air carrier (or carriers) operating a flight for which they are making a reservation when such flight is departing from or arriving at a Community airport or is part of a trip that starts or finishes in the territory of a Member State. Moreover, wherever the operating air carrier or carriers is or are changed after reservation, passengers must be informed as soon as possible regarding the identity of the new air carrier (or carriers) operating any part of the trip in question..."
I totally agree with you.

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Passenger wrote: 28 Jul 2018, 23:26 And it could be avoided, when airlines would fully respect the European legislation about the name of the operating carrier. When airlines subcharter (i.e. Brussels Airlines -> EuroAtlantic, Air France -> Air Belgium), the initial airline must advise the passengers about this change. It's compulsary by EU-Regulation 2111/2005, a legislation that was introduced after a few deadly crashes in the Middle East from "non reliable" airlines that were used by the carrier who's name was on the ticket.

Quote from Regulation 2111/2005: "...this Regulation stipulates that all passengers must be informed about the identity of the air carrier (or carriers) operating a flight for which they are making a reservation when such flight is departing from or arriving at a Community airport or is part of a trip that starts or finishes in the territory of a Member State. Moreover, wherever the operating air carrier or carriers is or are changed after reservation, passengers must be informed as soon as possible regarding the identity of the new air carrier (or carriers) operating any part of the trip in question..."
I've taken several SN flights operated by CityJet SSJ100s (with SN livery as well as with CityJet livery). It's only in the plane that the crew announces that the SN flight is operated by CityJet. And never has this created an incident. It is possible that the name CityJet is mentioned during the booking process, but I didn't really pay attention: I look only at the type of aircraft ;)
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I think that it was this crash that has lead to the European legislation about the name of the operating carrier and the introduction of the European Aviation Safety List (the blacklist):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_Airlines_Flight_604

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sn26567 wrote: 29 Jul 2018, 00:11It is possible that the name CityJet is mentioned during the booking process, but I didn't really pay attention: I look only at the type of aircraft ;)
I can confirm that it is clearly shown during the booking process.

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Passenger wrote: 28 Jul 2018, 19:25 What is happening with the on time performance here?
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/af104

21th July: ETD 14h10 -> 14h58 (OO-ABA)
22th July: ETD 14h10 -> 14h39 (operated by AF B777)
23th July: ETD 14h10 -> 16h04 (OO-ABE)
24th July: ETD 14h10 -> 17h36 (OO-ABE)
25th July: ETD 14h10 -> 14h49 (OO-ABE)
26th July: ETD 14h10 -> 15h34 (OO-ABE)
27th July: ETD 14h10 -> 16h10 (OO-ABE)
28th July: ETD 14h10 -> 17h02 (OO-ABE)
Why don't you show the return flight AF 149?
Punctuality is ok on that one...

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Sure, AF149 is much better, if one looks at the arrival time (where Air France has added a safety margin to the real flying time). But AF149 is far away from the punctuality at Ryanair or at (the old) VLM.

But let me repeat the reason for my post about these ABB schedules: someone called that Superjet CityJet Brussels Airlines contract a “Problems Festival”. And indeed, the Superjet is a huge problem. But honnestly: isn’t it strange we read so much comments about the Superjet problems, but at the same time no one comments Air Belgium’s problems?

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KL0895 departure delayed due to scandinavian airspace congestion/restrictions...I'm sitting tight waiting to depart...KLM is facing issues too...it's an epidemic!!!

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Desert Rat wrote: 29 Jul 2018, 17:23 ...it's an epidemic!!!
I just wanted to comment that this part is actually pretty true.
As an example: flights departing from BRU without a slot delaying their departure due to a restriction somewhere along the route are rather rare these days. Lots of traffic, lots of bad weather, and a few strikes here and there cause more than a little mess and headaches at EuroControl.
Flights often also tend to end up with multiple regulations limiting when they can depart.
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Ansett wrote: 29 Jul 2018, 18:31
Passenger wrote: 28 Jul 2018, 19:25 What is happening with the on time performance here?
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/af104

21th July: ETD 14h10 -> 14h58 (OO-ABA)
22th July: ETD 14h10 -> 14h39 (operated by AF B777)
23th July: ETD 14h10 -> 16h04 (OO-ABE)
24th July: ETD 14h10 -> 17h36 (OO-ABE)
25th July: ETD 14h10 -> 14h49 (OO-ABE)
26th July: ETD 14h10 -> 15h34 (OO-ABE)
27th July: ETD 14h10 -> 16h10 (OO-ABE)
28th July: ETD 14h10 -> 17h02 (OO-ABE)
Passenger wrote: 29 Jul 2018, 15:57 But let me repeat the reason for my post about these ABB schedules: someone called that Superjet CityJet Brussels Airlines contract a “Problems Festival”. And indeed, the Superjet is a huge problem. But honnestly: isn’t it strange we read so much comments about the Superjet problems, but at the same time no one comments Air Belgium’s problems?
The Sukhois lead to cancellations. Here we are faced with delays of max three to three and a half hours.
AB is a new airline. Give them some time to get their act together. Furthermore, we don't seem to know the real reasons for these delays. Perhaps opting for CRL was not the best choice, but maybe there is no link at all between CRL and the delays.

Unlike well established airlines, doesn't AB deserve some indulgence, benevolence and time to let them operate smoothly ? Of course, this may not go on. Does someone know the reasons for the delays. And what about the return flights ?
The flights in question here are operated from CDG. This is flight AF 104 operated by KF ( Air Belgium )for AF CDG > LOS ...

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I must agree with @Passenger here: why this indulgence for one single airline? Even taking into account that they're only beginning, they still show a clear lack of professionalism.

And oh, I so hate the woolly language:
max three to three and a half hours
Why not simply "up to 3,5 hours"?

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Less clear than it could be. Why? No further comment from me either.

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