Didn’t know that... But ok paying for Seats in business, it’s New for me.
Air Belgium in 2018
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Re: Air Belgium in 2018
Does someone know when the first AB's aircraft will be ferried from BRU to CRL ?
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I asked AB on Tuesday :
"Not this week but in a few days"
Btw...
OO-ABA have been towed to H40 or H41 this morning...
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Re: Air Belgium in 2018
Hi everyone I'm new here
It seems that Air Belgium's OO-ABA is doing another charter tonight (customer unknown at this point). It will fly first to Milan Malpensa (MXP) and then further on to Havana Cuba (HAV). No further details known yet.
It seems that Air Belgium's OO-ABA is doing another charter tonight (customer unknown at this point). It will fly first to Milan Malpensa (MXP) and then further on to Havana Cuba (HAV). No further details known yet.
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Thanks for the news big bird, and a big welcome on board aviation24.be!
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That's probably why it have been towed to H40,for a check...
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Re: Air Belgium in 2018
Probably for Blue Panorama Airlines
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Hi. I'm Thibault Lapers. @ThibaultLapers & @TLspotting
Re: Air Belgium in 2018
According to the Spotters' forum, the flight will be operated by OO-ABB, leaving BRU to MXP at 21:15 tonight.
Schedule of tomorrow's flight (and the return on the next day):
This supposes that two crews are available to operate the flights, since there is no rest period in HAV.
Schedule of tomorrow's flight (and the return on the next day):
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BV1618 MXP-HAV 16:25 - 22:15 A343
BV1619 HAV-MXP 01:20 - 17:20 A343
André
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Re: Air Belgium in 2018
It never ceases to amaze me how "managers" hope to run yield management from day 1 on routes without feeding and with heavy competition, only to price themselves out of the market. So much for being a "disruptor".
Scarce return tickets at 450 EUR return, but mostly at over 500 EUR return
In the meanwhile CX is at 570 EUR return from BRU while BA is below 500 EUR via LHR. AB can't promote themselves like this.
A word of advice: start selling at max. 299 EUR return in Y, 999 EUR return in C.
Empty seats don't cover any costs and you can't advertise yourself.
If I were the CEO, I would launch the first flights with 199 EUR fares. Gets people talking and checking AB before other options, while some bills get paid.
Once you fill the airplane, start jacking fares up gradually.
If they continue like this, they won't last. It looks like they don't know what they're doing.
I hoped for them to succeed but like this they don't stand a chance.
Scarce return tickets at 450 EUR return, but mostly at over 500 EUR return
In the meanwhile CX is at 570 EUR return from BRU while BA is below 500 EUR via LHR. AB can't promote themselves like this.
A word of advice: start selling at max. 299 EUR return in Y, 999 EUR return in C.
Empty seats don't cover any costs and you can't advertise yourself.
If I were the CEO, I would launch the first flights with 199 EUR fares. Gets people talking and checking AB before other options, while some bills get paid.
Once you fill the airplane, start jacking fares up gradually.
If they continue like this, they won't last. It looks like they don't know what they're doing.
I hoped for them to succeed but like this they don't stand a chance.
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I guess they mainly target Chinese (tourists) and they consider Europeans/Belgians flying the other way only an extra?Flanker3 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 19:23 It never ceases to amaze me how "managers" hope to run yield management from day 1 on routes without feeding and with heavy competition, only to price themselves out of the market. So much for being a "disruptor".
Scarce return tickets at 450 EUR return, but mostly at over 500 EUR return
In the meanwhile CX is at 570 EUR return from BRU while BA is below 500 EUR via LHR. AB can't promote themselves like this.
A word of advice: start selling at max. 299 EUR return in Y, 999 EUR return in C.
Empty seats don't cover any costs and you can't advertise yourself.
If I were the CEO, I would launch the first flights with 199 EUR fares. Gets people talking and checking AB before other options, while some bills get paid.
Once you fill the airplane, start jacking fares up gradually.
If they continue like this, they won't last. It looks like they don't know what they're doing.
I hoped for them to succeed but like this they don't stand a chance.
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If the Chinese have almost 50% of the shares, it seems logical to me that the major part of the seats will already be filled with Chinese tourists who booked with this Chinese tour-operator.
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Re: Air Belgium in 2018
OO-ABB is now taxiing (21:18)
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OO-ABB is now lining up at 25R. You can follow the flight here: https://www.flightradar24.com/50.9,4.5/14
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The inbound crew is underway to Havana, and will immediately fly back the aircraft.Ansett wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 20:33Just a question : could it be that the crew that will fly the plane back to Milan was sent to Havana yesterday or today with another airline ? (and benefiting fom a day's rest before flying the plane back to MXP).sn26567 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 18:33 According to the Spotters' forum, the flight will be operated by OO-ABB, leaving BRU to MXP at 21:15 tonight.
Schedule of tomorrow's flight (and the return on the next day):
This supposes that two crews are available to operate the flights, since there is no rest period in HAV.Code: Select all
BV1618 MXP-HAV 16:25 - 22:15 A343 BV1619 HAV-MXP 01:20 - 17:20 A343
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to MXP and BRU or MXP CRL ?
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I don't expect there to be a stampede of willing business class passengers for these flights.
If you configure an aircraft for business class to occupy 1/3rd of the cabin, you must work on generating O&D.
Also, the first flights tend to fly empty.
So ok, the main customers are from China. So the first outbound flight to HKG will fly empty to pick them up, burning over 5% of the company's equity in one go?
Re: Air Belgium in 2018
OO-ABB is now scheduled to return to BRU tomorrow, 2018-04-05, from MXP.
STA is 2050 local as BV9619.
STA is 2050 local as BV9619.
Thomas
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You should start an airline. You seems to know the job. "Air Flanker", and let's see which one between you and N.T knows better how to rule an airline I know on which one i would bet...Flanker3 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 19:23 It never ceases to amaze me how "managers" hope to run yield management from day 1 on routes without feeding and with heavy competition, only to price themselves out of the market. So much for being a "disruptor".
Scarce return tickets at 450 EUR return, but mostly at over 500 EUR return
In the meanwhile CX is at 570 EUR return from BRU while BA is below 500 EUR via LHR. AB can't promote themselves like this.
A word of advice: start selling at max. 299 EUR return in Y, 999 EUR return in C.
If I were the CEO,
If they continue like this, they won't last. It looks like they don't know what they're doing.
I hoped for them to succeed but like this they don't stand a chance.
Furthermore, the CX's prices are not around 570. The average price is higher. For BA, what a joke. Randomly, i got 885€ (Tue 10/07 - Sun 15/07). I request a screen for a price below 500...