The Dubai Air Show 2013

[sn26567]

The Dubai Air Show, which takes place every two years, will take place from 17 to 21 November 2013. All major aircraft manufacturers will be represented. Dubai aims to be the major air show in the world, ahead of Farnborough and Paris, and the growing importance of Middle East carriers supports that idea.

This topic intends to cover all the news from the show.

Airbus will show an A380 prototype MSN4 (with demonstrations in the air), an Emirates A380, an Egyptair A330-300, a Qatar Airways A330-200F, an A350 cockpit mock-up. Details: viewtopic.php?p=288725#p288725

Embraer will promote its full line up of commercial and executive jets and showcase the large Legacy 650 and ultra-large Lineage 1000 executive jet in the static display. Details: viewtopic.php?p=288723#p288723

The world’s biggest international carrier Emirates is expected to place the largest jet order ever: an “enormous” order for Boeing’s new 777X model and follow-on contracts for the A380.

[quixoticguide]

No A350XWB on the airshow ?

[sn26567]

No A350XWB on the airshow ?

Airbus keeps it mysterious. Officially it is not planned, but you never know...

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Boeing hasn't published a press release about the Dubai Air Show yet, but it looks set to dominate next week's show with more than $100 billion of deals as it aims to launch its latest long-haul jet with up to 250 potential orders from as many as five airlines.

The U.S. planemaker is indeed pressing ahead with the launch of its 777X. A widely expected potential order for 100 to 150 of the new jets from Dubai flag carrier Emirates alone could match the $62 billion of deals amassed at the last Dubai show two years ago. Boeing is expected to launch the 777X on Sunday with the record Emirates deal and 25 jets for Etihad.

Boeing could also announce orders for dozens of 777X jets from Qatar Airways and Cathay Pacific. The 777X launch is expected to include confirmation of a tentative 34-plane order from Germany's Lufthansa.

Boeing hopes also to sell 30 787 Dreamliners to Etihad and 75 737 MAX to flydubai.

[RoMax]

The U.S. planemaker is indeed pressing ahead with the launch of its 777X. A widely expected potential order for 100 to 150 of the new jets from Dubai flag carrier Emirates alone could match the $62 billion of deals amassed at the last Dubai show two years ago.

Expectations on this one are so high currently, that a 'smaller' order with a large amount of options would be a dissapointment (while it wouldn't be in fact), so lets hope for at least 100 'firm' orders

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Good start for Airbus at Dubai: Emirates buys 50 additional A380s. "The A380 continues to be the flagship of our fleet and ... remains highly popular" said HH Sheikh Ahmed Bin Saeed Al Maktoum, Emirates Chairman.

Emirates has now 39 A380s in service and 101 on order!

On the Boeing side, Etihad ordered 25 777X airplanes, comprising 17 777-9Xs and eight 777-8Xs, and has options for 12 more 777Xs. Etihad also ordered 30 787-10s, with options for 12 more. The 787 sales have thus reached the 1000 level.

Flydubai committed for up to 100 737 MAX 8 airplanes and 11 Next-Generation 737-800s.

[Bralo20]

Don't forget the 150 (+50 options) 777X's for Emirates (which makes it the biggest valued commercial airline order in history. Qatar also ordered 50 of the 777X.


Including the 34 from Lufthansa there are 259 firm orders for the 777X which also makes it the biggest wide-body launch in history.

[RoMax]

Good day for both Airbus and Boeing. The Airbus deals are in the minority, but the fact that it's about 50 A380's is more than enough to still make it a great day for them. Interesting to see that the A380 now received 309 orders and almost half of it (140) is just for Emirates.

[RoMax]

Don't forget the 150 (+50 options) 777X's for Emirates (which makes it the biggest valued commercial airline order in history. Qatar also ordered 50 of the 777X.

The +50 of Emirates are said to be purchase rights and not real options, but that's a detail today
Qatar Airways signed a LoI (letter of intent) for their 50 777X's, so still waiting for a firm order. Still the QR position on the 777X is quite strange to say so. Earlier this year Al Baker said the 777-9X would be even better as Boeing says, just like the 777-300ER was and not so long ago Al Baker said he has no interest in the 777X as he doesn't know what Boeing has on offer. And now, just weeks after saying that, he signs a LoI for 50 aircraft...

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The Airbus deals are in the minority, but the fact that it's about 50 A380's is more than enough to still make it a great day for them.

They couldn't leave it like that. Etihad too has passed a large order: 50 A350s (40 A350-900s + 10 A350-1000s), one A330-200F, 26 A321neo’s and 10 A320neo’s.

And Qatar purchased 5 additional A330-200Fs (complementing the 3 existing ones), with an option for 8 more.

[RoMax]

The Airbus deals are in the minority, but the fact that it's about 50 A380's is more than enough to still make it a great day for them.

They couldn't leave it like that. Etihad too has passed a large order: 50 A350s (40 A350-900s + 10 A350-1000s), one A330-200F, 26 A321neo’s and 10 A320neo’s.

And Qatar purchased 5 additional A330-200Fs (complementing the 3 existing ones), with an option for 8 more.

What a day for mainly Emirates and Etihad...
Emirates: 150 (+50) 777X and 50 A380
Etihad: 25 777X, 50 A350, 30 787's, 36 A32Fneo and some small freighter orders (one A330F and 777F each)

Though it's not that the Qatar and Flydubai deals are small xp

[Flanker2]

Pure madness. I hope that EK is already purchasing replacements for its first 50 A380's, because otherwise I don't see this turning out well for them.

This must have European and Asian airlines on the edge.

[quixoticguide]

US$192.3 BILLION AND COUNTING !!!

[RoMax]

Pure madness. I hope that EK is already purchasing replacements for its first 50 A380's, because otherwise I don't see this turning out well for them.

Besides the continueing huge expansion plans they have, I'm quite sure a certain amount of the those latest A380's will replace the oldest ones (going to second hand market with ages of only about 10 years or so). Same with the huge amount of 777's. They have about 150 77W's either in operation or on order. By the time the latest 77W's arrive, they'll replace the earliest ones. The 777X will continue on the replacement. But for sure, serious expansion is included in these orders (also don't forget their A350 orders).

[RoMax]

Emirates is also looking together with Airbus on how to get a 11-abreast economy configuration in the A380 while keeping the seats 18" abreast. Tim Clark (EK's ceo) says it's quite probable they will switch to a 3-5-3 configuration on the A380 to optimise the efficiency of the aircraft.

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After Sunday's large orders, this Monday seems to be very quiet in comparison.

Bombardier signed an agreement with Air Côte d'Ivoire for 2 Q400s with a value of $69 million, with an option for two more.

Newly launched Tripoli-based airline Libyan Wings has signed a Memorandum of Understanding for 3 A350-900 and 4 A320neo aircraft.

GECAS orders up to 10 more ATR 72-600s.

John Leahy, COO Airbus tells to expect more announcements of orders tomorrow. The same John Leahy: "I don't fit in a 17 inch seat, that's why I don't fly on Boeing airplanes." Of course...

After the launch of the new 777X, some details start to leak: it will have larger windows, wider cabin, new lighting and an enhanced architecture. But what doeas wider cabin mean: larger seats 'like Airbus) or the possibility to stuff more seats abreast? The 777X firm configuration will be finalised in 2015; production starts 2017 and flight test in 2019; first delivery foreseen in 2020. Thanks to an all-new composite wing and new GE engines, Boeing claims the 777X has 12% lower fuel consumption, 10% lower operational costs than competition (which competition? Bazsed on what?).

Lufthansa's fleet chief Nico Buchholz said: The 777X perfectly matches our requirements and ideally complements the 747-8 Intercontinental. It is rumoured that Lufthansa bought the 777X first in order to prevent Middle East airlines to dictate the specifications.

The A380 flying today in a new livery;

[RoMax]

John Leahy, COO Airbus tells to expect more announcements of orders tomorrow. The same John Leahy: "I don't fit in a 17 inch seat, that's why I don't fly on Boeing airplanes." Of course...

Your comments are getting really one-sided for a 'latest-new moderator'. It's not because Airbus launched a new marketing campaign against Boeing, that you have to express their message in every single topic relating Airbus/Boeing recently. Everybody knows that Boeing's latest 77W and 787 aircraft usually have 17-17,5" seats, which is less than on Airbus aircraft, without someone constantly expressing that message.

Thanks to an all-new composite wing and new GE engines, Boeing claims the 777X has 12% lower fuel consumption, 10% lower operational costs than competition (which competition? Bazsed on what?).

Funny you only react on such statements when they come from Boeing. So the numbers Airbus is claiming are all plain truth?! This is just marketing, nothing more, nothing less. Just like Boeing, Airbus, Bombardier, Embraer, COMAC, ... all do the same and just like every single company in other industries do the same.

After the launch of the new 777X, some details start to leak: it will have larger windows, wider cabin, new lighting and an enhanced architecture. But what doeas wider cabin mean: larger seats 'like Airbus) or the possibility to stuff more seats abreast?

Of course, they increase the width of the cabin with about 10cm (maybe slightly more) and they'll push for another seat in it. Do some research before making such statements. Boeing repeatedly stated (this is not new, this has been known for months) that they'll reduce the space between the fuselage skin and the cabin interior by using thinner (but equally good) insulation materials, enabling to fit 10 seats slightly more comfortable in the cabin. But before you come up with it, still below the 18" seats promoted by Airbus, let's all start crying now.

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In yesterday's sales, I forgot to mention the two ATR-600s sold to Alpha Star of Saudi Arabia.

And in today's sales, there is a second contract for Bombardier: a LoI of Dubai's Palma Holding for the firm purchase of 4 Q400s and option for 4 more.

An interesting revelation of the Wall Street Journal: Emirates and Qatar Airways negotiated the 777X deal together. "L'Union fait la Force - Eendracht maakt Macht". Smart move from these airlines.

And a stunning picture of the fly-past of an Emirates A380 accompanied by fighter jets (United Arab Emirates Air Force?):

[cathay belgium]

Without the blue stripe, My first tought was Frecce Tricolore!
Plane looks very very similar..
CXB

[Streetstream]

John Leahy, COO Airbus tells to expect more announcements of orders tomorrow. The same John Leahy: "I don't fit in a 17 inch seat, that's why I don't fly on Boeing airplanes." Of course...

Your comments are getting really one-sided for a 'latest-new moderator'. It's not because Airbus launched a new marketing campaign against Boeing, that you have to express their message in every single topic relating Airbus/Boeing recently. Everybody knows that Boeing's latest 77W and 787 aircraft usually have 17-17,5" seats, which is less than on Airbus aircraft, without someone constantly expressing that message.

Thanks to an all-new composite wing and new GE engines, Boeing claims the 777X has 12% lower fuel consumption, 10% lower operational costs than competition (which competition? Bazsed on what?).

Funny you only react on such statements when they come from Boeing. So the numbers Airbus is claiming are all plain truth?! This is just marketing, nothing more, nothing less. Just like Boeing, Airbus, Bombardier, Embraer, COMAC, ... all do the same and just like every single company in other industries do the same.

After the launch of the new 777X, some details start to leak: it will have larger windows, wider cabin, new lighting and an enhanced architecture. But what doeas wider cabin mean: larger seats 'like Airbus) or the possibility to stuff more seats abreast?

Of course, they increase the width of the cabin with about 10cm (maybe slightly more) and they'll push for another seat in it. Do some research before making such statements. Boeing repeatedly stated (this is not new, this has been known for months) that they'll reduce the space between the fuselage skin and the cabin interior by using thinner (but equally good) insulation materials, enabling to fit 10 seats slightly more comfortable in the cabin. But before you come up with it, still below the 18" seats promoted by Airbus, let's all start crying now.

You know you're biased when Romax accuses you of bias.

Just joking around