BRU winter 2013-2014: latest news, routes, airlines

[Atlantis]

Interesting to see is that EY has requested slots for a 3x daily rotation AUH - BRU - AUH and QR has requested 2x daily slots.
Furthermore 9W has still all their slots for the winter to operate there 4 flights a day.

any update about the EY - QR and 9W slots?

Regards

[Kapitein]

Interesting to see is that EY has requested slots for a 3x daily rotation AUH - BRU - AUH and QR has requested 2x daily slots.
Furthermore 9W has still all their slots for the winter to operate there 4 flights a day.

any update about the EY - QR and 9W slots?

Regards

EY has changed their mind it seems: it's stays like it is with 8 weekly flights.
9W has still the same slots as before

[LJ]

EY has changed their mind it seems: it's stays like it is with 8 weekly flights.
9W has still the same slots as before

It seems that 9W has returned their W13 slots for AMS, thus I would guess that nothing will change at BRU and thus YYZ and the scissor hub remains in W13.

[EBAW_flyer]

So 9W will not leave BRU? Too bad for SN...

[crew1990]

They just delay their transfer, it will probably be for S14

[Atlantis]

So 9W will not leave BRU? Too bad for SN...

SN was not ready to anticipate so quickly, so it is just good for SN that 9W stays. it will give them the opportunity to prepare this on a good way.

[LJ]

So 9W will not leave BRU? Too bad for SN...

But not for BRU as any reductions by 9W will be seen in the traffic figures immediately, not to mention the loss of revenue for losing 4 daily A330s.

They just delay their transfer, it will probably be for S14

That depends what the deal is between EY and the Indian government. The dismantling of the BRU scissor hub can only be done if EY is allowed to funnel the pax via AUH. At present, the Indian government doesn't actually want this and in order to get approval to buy the stake in 9W, EY had to show they're not controlling 9W. By not going ahead with dismantling the scissor hub at BRU EY can argue they're not in control. However, maybe we can better discuss this in the EY invest in 9W thread (viewtopic.php?f=7&t=49081&start=20).

[sn26567]

Around December the flights of Air Serbia (ex-JAT Airways) from Belgrade to Brussels will be carried out by A319-100 instead of B737-300.

[BRU]

According to Airline Route, CDG is maintained as a destination:

In addition, the airline from 01DEC13 will cancel service to Brussels from 01DEC13 (Last flight departs Addis Ababa on 30NOV13, Brussels on 01DEC13). Existing Addis Ababa – Paris CDG – Brussels service will change to Addis Ababa – Paris CDG.

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ET704 ADD2355 – 0540+1CDG 763 x24
ET705 CDG2205 – 0720+1ADD 763 x13

Seems ET decided to continue operating to BRU via CDG, despite earlier messages. Confirmation will follow soon and flight will be reloaded in reservation system asap. Good news for Brussels Airport !

[woutertheboy]

According to Airline Route, CDG is maintained as a destination:

In addition, the airline from 01DEC13 will cancel service to Brussels from 01DEC13 (Last flight departs Addis Ababa on 30NOV13, Brussels on 01DEC13). Existing Addis Ababa – Paris CDG – Brussels service will change to Addis Ababa – Paris CDG.

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ET704 ADD2355 – 0540+1CDG 763 x24
ET705 CDG2205 – 0720+1ADD 763 x13

Seems ET decided to continue operating to BRU via CDG, despite earlier messages. Confirmation will follow soon and flight will be reloaded in reservation system asap. Good news for Brussels Airport !

But bad news for SN . Yet, I'm happy ET decided to stay at BRU.

[capetown]

According to Airline Route, CDG is maintained as a destination:

In addition, the airline from 01DEC13 will cancel service to Brussels from 01DEC13 (Last flight departs Addis Ababa on 30NOV13, Brussels on 01DEC13). Existing Addis Ababa – Paris CDG – Brussels service will change to Addis Ababa – Paris CDG.

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ET704 ADD2355 – 0540+1CDG 763 x24
ET705 CDG2205 – 0720+1ADD 763 x13

Seems ET decided to continue operating to BRU via CDG, despite earlier messages. Confirmation will follow soon and flight will be reloaded in reservation system asap. Good news for Brussels Airport !

Here's a link to what De Morgen (in Dutch) is reporting this morning: http://www.demorgen.be/dm/nl/996/Econom ... egen.dhtml

There is a hint at the possible reasons for the decision not to leave BRU ; including a reference to "another carrier stopping its flights to Addis ex-AMS" ... does/did KL fly to ADD? ... or is this a reference to a cargo (flower?) route ?

[andorra-airport]

There is a hint at the possible reasons for the decision not to leave BRU ; including a reference to "another carrier stopping its flights to Addis ex-AMS" ... does/did KL fly to ADD? ... or is this a reference to a cargo (flower?) route ?

Yes, KLM stopped with the flights from Amsterdam to Addis Ababa , via Khartoum, last March.

[Established02]

There is a hint at the possible reasons for the decision not to leave BRU ; including a reference to "another carrier stopping its flights to Addis ex-AMS" ... does/did KL fly to ADD? ... or is this a reference to a cargo (flower?) route ?

Yes, KLM stopped with the flights from Amsterdam to Addis Ababa , via Khartoum, last March.

KLM reportedly pulled AMS-ADD in March13, while ET indicated to pull ADD-BRU in July13.

So ET already had this market knowledge of "another carrier stopping its flights to Addis ex-AMS" when they decided to stop ADD-BRU. So how can this then be a new element that made them change their mind and reverse the decision?

[lumumba]

The reason can be that the flight is dooing better every month from March!!!

[rwandan-flyer]

Great news in deed . But i wonder if they isn't a link with the closure of bookings for Munich. The airline planned to begin service on 01 December 2013.

[A330]

EY has changed their mind it seems: it's stays like it is with 8 weekly flights.

Somehow I have a feeling EY are not taking the opportunity to "bag it up" in BRU by going to 12 weekly. Doesn't this leave the door open for QR to expand, or some day EK to come in. With 12 weekly, almost double daily, EY would have established themselves quite well at BRU, they would have a strong foothold, making it more difficult for their Gulf competitors.

It seems that 9W has returned their W13 slots for AMS, thus I would guess that nothing will change at BRU and thus YYZ and the scissor hub remains in W13

As mentioned before, we have an idea of what they want to do. But is up to the authorities to approve before they can start moving. Perhaps S14?

[lumumba]

Great news in deed . But i wonder if they isn't a link with the closure of bookings for Munich. The airline planned to begin service on 01 December 2013.

What do you mean?

[sn26567]

Seems ET decided to continue operating to BRU via CDG, despite earlier messages. Confirmation will follow soon and flight will be reloaded in reservation system asap. Good news for Brussels Airport !

Five times weekly:

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ET704 ADD2355 – 0540+1CDG0645+1 – 0745+1BRU 763 x27
ET705 BRU2000 – 2105  CDG2205   – 0720+1ADD 763 x13

[rwandan-flyer]

What do you mean?

Ethiopian Airlines planned to start Addis - Munich - Stockholm, from December 2013, and for unknow reason they have closed bookings, while they were promoting Munich destination on their website. They did same thing with Madrid, Singapore, Hanoi and Manilla, bookings closed some weeks before to start service to these destinations.

Of course there are so many reasons, but it's just hypothesis . However, according to Statistics shown on this forum, Addis - Bru - Addis seems to be a money-making route for ET.

[LJ]

Ethiopian Airlines planned to start Addis - Munich - Stockholm, from December 2013, and for unknow reason they have closed bookings, while they were promoting Munich destination on their website. They did same thing with Madrid, Singapore, Hanoi and Manilla, bookings closed some weeks before to start service to these destinations.

MUC was open for reservation for only 13 days (they opened reservation on July 11th and closed reservations on July 24th). Moreover, I think one can think of good arguments why they decided not to open reservations to MUC. ADD - ARN is a busy market and adding a stop both ways (instead of the usual tech stop nothbound only) wasn't prbably well received in the market. Thus this has nothing to do with BRU.

However, according to Statistics shown on this forum, Addis - Bru - Addis seems to be a money-making route for ET.

Which statistics? Unless you have inside information on the yield and associated costs it's very dificult to assess if it is money making (not to mention that it can depend on how you calculate costs). The cargo argument seems irrelevant as ET has dedicated cargo flights to Belgium. If you look at the reasoning for returning to BRU you'll see that they underestimated the costs of parking a 767 at CDG. Hence it's probably cheaper to fly the 767 to BRU, pick up some pax and pay the fee at BRU.