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Hi Ken,Mavke wrote:The fluid , named Glycol is brought to brussels from Gent ...
I can tell you to my knowledge the production of the de-incing fluid is not THAT simple and there are actually only a handful of production plants in Europe doing this product (and as always in chemical industry you cannot simply raise or lower production, as you need certain input from other companies and processes which might not be available easily. So just being able to pay more will not always help. I know the producers are working with full capacity for some weeks now, but the demand is unusually high (because we have very wintry conditions more or less across ALL of Europe at the same time, which is very unusual) and the transport is indeed a problem too.Mavke,Mavke wrote:The fluid , named Glycol is brought to brussels from Gent ,
its brought to brussels in 100% and mixed up in brussels with water , aviapartner is equipped with trucks that can mix the glycol with water according the weather situation ( 25/75, 50/50, 75/25, 100 ) all this is done in max 2 minutes , without heating it up til 95 degrees ( 80 when leaving the truck )
other handlers have to mix it near the tanks and goes as fast as any other truck ....
ken
That's bad. It was one of the interesting alternative.Also no de icing anymore at EBOS..
Hahaha this is a good one. A concentrate that is thinned out, like orange juice from concentrates.I rather think flightcare are provided with a concentrated fluid which is then thinned out by them, so it's a pitty indeed that they have run out of stock so soon.
You really doesn't have a clue how this (de-icing,supply,...) works.regi wrote:Just a price matter. If you would like to have 200 T of glycol tomorrow afternoon delivered, you make 2 phonecalls: one to the supplier and another to your financial director that he has to approve the immediate money transfer towards the supplier.
It is such a common product that it is widely available.
Interesting remark about the Munich recycling activity. Such operation would require huge investment in the form of collecting, filtering, storing etc. A huge investment for a situation that is very rare at Brussels.
By the way, because of airport problems in other European countries, it has little use to keep Brussels open.
Good for the hotels.
Tolipanebas, you make that sound like you have inside information on the price paid by those occasional visitors. I'll agree with you that it would have been rather stupid to let the precious stuff go at list price, given the situation and the forecasts.Tolipanebas wrote: Maybe it's just me, but I think all BRU-based airlines should be really outrageous for seeing wasted precious liquids on those occasional visitors up to this morning even, while being faced with a potential shut down for almost 2 days at worse now...
That can only work if it is AVAILABLE at all. We have somehow forgot in many areas that products actually need to be produced first, before they can be bought and used and surprisingly not everything is always available everywhere, not even for lot of moneyNCB wrote:Technically speaking, SN could still AOG the fluid from somewhere and offer it to the handler for their use only.
Now everybody is crying 'how can this happen'? But listen what the very same people will say if a chemical company plans to enlarge their production capacity in the neighbourhood of the very same people 
AFAIK about 1.200 litres of Glycol is being used to de-ice a narrowbody and arround 2.000 Litres for a wide body. This is if the de-icing is done well, ofcourse you can use up to 10.000 litres of Glycol for a widebody but then you are doing something wrong.tolipanebas wrote:I don't have a clue where the fluid is coming from, but I doubt it is delivered readily usable to the airport.
If it would, there would have to be a constant convoy of trucks heading up and down to that factory, given it can take up to half a truck to de-ice a single narrow body, and about 1 to 2 trucks to de-ice a single widebody.
Unfortunately sometimes money doesn't buy everything... For instance I've been calling arround Europe to have 50 to 100 tons of road salt delivered regardless of the costs... Did I receive even a single grain of salt? Nothing... Even the 40 tonnes ordered before the temperatures dropped they haven't delivered...regi wrote:Just a price matter. If you would like to have 200 T of glycol tomorrow afternoon delivered, you make 2 phonecalls: one to the supplier and another to your financial director that he has to approve the immediate money transfer towards the supplier
Actually the product IS thinned out, but it is apparantly already done so at the production plant and then shipped out.NCB wrote:Hahaha this is a good one. A concentrate that is thinned out, like orange juice from concentrates.I rather think flightcare are provided with a concentrated fluid which is then thinned out by them, so it's a pitty indeed that they have run out of stock so soon.
It gets mixed with water at application, but it never gets thinned out my friend.
Actually, to correct Mr Know-it-all once more...NCB wrote:Hold-over times are longest with type 4, which is the most commonly used one in Northern Europe.
