Boeing adds to pressure on Airbus

Join this forum to discuss the latest news that happened in the world of commercial aviation.

Moderator: Latest news team

Post Reply
User avatar
bits44
Posts: 1889
Joined: 03 Aug 2004, 00:00
Location: Vancouver CYVR

Boeing adds to pressure on Airbus

Post by bits44 »

Boeing may be a lot further along in development plans for the next 737, than may have been realized:


http://tinyurl.com/2act4v
There are no strangers in the world, just friends we have yet to meet.

User avatar
CX
Posts: 788
Joined: 30 Jul 2005, 00:00

Post by CX »

A twin asile 737, it would completely fill the gap between the current 737 and the 787... I thought this is what Airbus might do to fill the gap between the A320 and the A350XWB because that gap is way larger, and given that the XWB is capable of what it says it is, if the upper end of the A320 replacement can do A332 range and payload, who will be the winner about 15 years or so? Will Boeing be going full steam with BOTH the 737 replacement AND a 777 replacement at the same time?

User avatar
beaucaire
Posts: 289
Joined: 02 Dec 2003, 00:00
Location: Tarascon -Provence

Post by beaucaire »

Both manufacturers have quoted several times it only makes sens to offer a new family of aircraft,once the engine technology has managed to offer a 20 % more efficient system.That is currently not the case .The sole use of carbon-fiber fuselage and wings does not -in itself - provide enough fuel-efficiency to jump the line.

User avatar
David747
Posts: 777
Joined: 11 May 2006, 00:00
Location: Teterboro KTEB, USA

Post by David747 »

Boeing could introduce new 737 family that has a wider cabin than classic or next generation 737's. Although there is no concept yet, I bet the airlines that are talking with Boeing about a new 737 will ask for a bit of a wider cabin than the current designs. Second, the most interesting part of what I read and something that CX touched on was a twin-isle 737. Filling the gap between the 739 and 788 would be beneficial to Boeing seeing that a lot of 767 and 757 will be replaced in the next few years. Airbus might do the same with the A32X.

User avatar
earthman
Posts: 2221
Joined: 24 Nov 2004, 00:00
Location: AMS

Re: Boeing adds to pressure on Airbus

Post by earthman »

http://tinyurl.com/2act4v wrote:The Times understands that two early prototypes have been drawn up: a wider, twin-aisle version and a shorter, single-aisle jet. These have been dubbed Fat Boy and Little Boy.
Ehm, almost like Little Boy and Fat Man from the Manhattan Project. But I'm sure that was intentional.

User avatar
ryanCX
Posts: 141
Joined: 20 Nov 2005, 00:00
Location: Liverpool
Contact:

Post by ryanCX »

I agree with beaucaire, it is probably more sensible to offer a new family altogether.
Nevertheless, the 'fat man' should do very well with the number of 757s which will need to be replaced.

User avatar
OO-TUC
Posts: 57
Joined: 21 Mar 2006, 00:00
Location: Holland

Post by OO-TUC »

Will 737 fatboy eliminates the 787-3? As far as i know no airline ordered the 787-3 yet and with a next gen 737 widebody coming it seems that it will never come into production.

smokejumper
Posts: 1033
Joined: 21 Oct 2005, 00:00
Location: Northern Virginia USA

Post by smokejumper »

OO-TUC wrote:Will 737 fatboy eliminates the 787-3? As far as i know no airline ordered the 787-3 yet and with a next gen 737 widebody coming it seems that it will never come into production.
ANA was the initial order with 30 787-3's for delivery in early 2011.

teach
Posts: 740
Joined: 23 Feb 2005, 00:00

Post by teach »

I don't see how this is being 'much further along in development plans than thought'. They're just starting to consult airlines, and they say themselves that they don't even have a concept yet. From what I'm reading here, we're still years away from a launch. And Airbus is also known to be studying an A320 replacement.
Last edited by teach on 13 Mar 2007, 14:19, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
David747
Posts: 777
Joined: 11 May 2006, 00:00
Location: Teterboro KTEB, USA

Post by David747 »

Boeing is looking at the 80 to 150 seat market as well in their study for the 737 replacement. Boeing will compete with Bombardier and Embraer if it enters this market as well.

RC20
Posts: 547
Joined: 09 Dec 2005, 00:00

Post by RC20 »

OO-TUC wrote:Will 737 fatboy eliminates the 787-3? As far as i know no airline ordered the 787-3 yet and with a next gen 737 widebody coming it seems that it will never come into production.
JAL has 13 ordered. ANA 30. Now, think about shrinking it (shorter fuselage) same wing. Better range, smaller PAX load and you have a 757-300!

The 787-3 was created for ANA and JAL, they have a unique requirement that others may not from the lack of orders (or its better to have the option for longer range, and just put less fuel if you don't need to go that far).

Very interesting to see what develops. Boeing is getting very very good at mix and match.

achace
Posts: 368
Joined: 16 Feb 2006, 00:00
Location: Manila Philippines

Post by achace »

Fatboy is starting to look like a shrunken 767, assuming it is twin aisle and 7 seats. Certainly one of the most comfortable economy layouts ever.

Can anyone imagine a 100 ft. long 767?

I think Boeing will come up with a layout very different to what we are used to seeing.

As the only new engine on the horizon is the geared fan P & W, would not be surprised to see the engines going back to the tail, to allow a nice clean wing. Might even see a Warthog(A10) type of tail or even a Vee tail.

Cheers
Achace

Post Reply