SN Brussels Airlines' Loadfactor - part 2

sluber · Post by **sluber** » 29 Sep 2005, 13:27

Time to smuck up their load factor with bringing in RPK/ASK of TV ??
Then you will notice an increase !!

Rayman · Post by **Rayman** » 29 Sep 2005, 16:07

Avro wrote:but I don't see the 0.1% increase then Blackhawk

Still there is, if we can call it "increase", behind the comma's (or dot's).

2004 71.3351789466662
2005 71.2727041384356

05/04 +0.0624748082306041

Rounded (excess above 5) is +0.1

OO-VEX · Post by **OO-VEX** » 07 Nov 2005, 20:32

Hello,

here is an update of the SNBA loadfactor:

SN Brussels Airlines:
01/2002..35.2....01/2003..49.2 +14.1%....01/2004..52.9 +3.6%....01/2005..59.3 +6.4%
02..........41.5....02...........50.1 +8.6%......02/2004..55.8 +5.8%....02/2005..60.4 +4.6%
03..........44.7....03...........51.2 +6.5%......03/2004..56.9 +5.7%....03/2005..59.7 +2.8%
04..........42.7....04...........54.2 +11.5%....04/2004..56.8 +2.6%....04/2005..59.4 +2.6%
05..........39.3....05...........52.7 +13.5%....05/2004..56,8 +4,1%....05/2005..60.6 +3.8%
06..........47.8....06...........57.0 +9.2%......06/2004..61,0 +4,0%....06/2005..62.1 +1,1%
07..........56.1....07...........67.0 +10.9%....07/2004..71,3 +4,3%....07/2005..71,3+0,0%
08..........56.0....08...........69.3 +13.3%....08/2004..71,3 +2,0%....08/2005..71,3+0,1%
09..........53.9....09...........61.1 +7.2%......09/2004..65,6 +4,5%....09/2005..66,6+1,0%
10..........49.5....10...........56.6 +7.1%......10/2004..60,6 +4.0%
11..........45.1....11...........56.6 +11.7%....11/2004..56,8 +0,3%
12..........51.7....12...........59.1 +7.4%......12/2004..61.8 +2.8%

OO-VEX

fostro · Post by **fostro** » 08 Nov 2005, 12:15

Business is going good with SN! Hopefully they manage to keep the change of LF% positive.

Do they have many charterflights to fill up the weekend-inactivity of their Avro's? Or is this business rather uncommon in off-season?

I have a question about the figures: we get the cumulated %, but I'd like to know how Africa business is doing. Is it possible to split it up? Or give a seperate overview?

lumumba · Post by **lumumba** » 08 Nov 2005, 12:30

Hi Fostro.

About Africa what I know is that they are doing very well. I don't know about the load factor but I spoke with some employees in Africa and the figures are very positive.

Regards
Patrice

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 12 Nov 2005, 23:07

A lot of flights to Africa are overbooked, so I think the figures are very good. I know from somebody of the check in that they had for a flight 80 overbookings!! The flights to Africa and the cargo to and from are the golden egs for SNBA.

ATC · Post by **ATC** » 13 Nov 2005, 00:29

A lot of flights to Africa are overbooked, so I think the figures are very good. I know from somebody of the check in that they had for a flight 80 overbookings!! The flights to Africa and the cargo to and from are the golden egs for SNBA.

fftopic:
Again an important signal --> they should expand their Africa operations.
Where the "h*ll" is their fourth aircraft ?
If they wait to long Skyteam or Star-alliance will take over the golden egs. Also ONEworld will not take SNBA serious if they haven't a dominant Africa network.

A few months ago a read a story about 747C(ombi) aircrafts ... Although I'm a big airbus fan, I'm still convinced that the 747c would do the job perfect and they should phase out the A330. (747c --> KLM strategy)

1) finding 747's on the second market is easier than the A330
2) 747c can carry much more cargo than the A330
3) several 747's would bring SNBA much more publicity and prestige.
4) ofcourse the pilots aren't trained to fly boeing... so this would serious increase their training costs.

The SNBA gentlement should choose the best option...
I hope they don't wait to long...
Every month the competition is becoming stronger and stronger.

greetings,
ATC

Post by **sn26567** » 13 Nov 2005, 09:39

I would tend to agree.

ATC wrote:4) ofcourse the pilots aren't trained to fly Boeing... so this would serious increase their training costs.

It should still be possible to find a few Sabena pilots who have flown the 747...

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 13 Nov 2005, 10:16

I thought that they going received the forth A330 in 2007. That's a long time in the airline world. I hope that they, till then, have a new strategic Africa plan. Look at KLM/Air France, BA, Kenya Airways who they have expand their Africa network.

In the time Sabena exist they were the nr 1 in Africa. If SNBA wants to be profitable I should take some action. What was the rumour about filling the gap with an B767 and A321?????

OO-VEX · Post by **OO-VEX** » 02 Dec 2005, 20:07

Hello,

here is an update of the SNBA loadfactor:

SN Brussels Airlines:
01/2002..35.2....01/2003..49.2 +14.1%....01/2004..52.9 +3.6%....01/2005..59.3 +6.4%
02..........41.5....02...........50.1 +8.6%......02/2004..55.8 +5.8%....02/2005..60.4 +4.6%
03..........44.7....03...........51.2 +6.5%......03/2004..56.9 +5.7%....03/2005..59.7 +2.8%
04..........42.7....04...........54.2 +11.5%....04/2004..56.8 +2.6%....04/2005..59.4 +2.6%
05..........39.3....05...........52.7 +13.5%....05/2004..56,8 +4,1%....05/2005..60.6 +3.8%
06..........47.8....06...........57.0 +9.2%......06/2004..61,0 +4,0%....06/2005..62.1 +1,1%
07..........56.1....07...........67.0 +10.9%....07/2004..71,3 +4,3%....07/2005..71,3 +0,0%
08..........56.0....08...........69.3 +13.3%....08/2004..71,3 +2,0%....08/2005..71,3 +0,1%
09..........53.9....09...........61.1 +7.2%......09/2004..65,6 +4,5%....09/2005..66,6 +1,0%
10..........49.5....10...........56.6 +7.1%......10/2004..60,6 +4.0%....10/2005..61,2 +0,6%
11..........45.1....11...........56.6 +11.7%....11/2004..56,8 +0,3%
12..........51.7....12...........59.1 +7.4%......12/2004..61.8 +2.8%

OO-VEX

OO-VEX · Post by **OO-VEX** » 16 Mar 2006, 12:52

Finally, I've been able to update this loadfactor topic, with the results of November, December and also January.

SN Brussels Airlines:
01/2002.35.2..01/2003..49.2 +14.1%....01/2004..52.9 +3.6%....01/2005..59.3 +6.4%....01/2006..60.8 +1,5%
02..........41.5....02...........50.1 +8.6%......02/2004..55.8 +5.8%....02/2005..60.4 +4.6%
03..........44.7....03...........51.2 +6.5%......03/2004..56.9 +5.7%....03/2005..59.7 +2.8%
04..........42.7....04...........54.2 +11.5%....04/2004..56.8 +2.6%....04/2005..59.4 +2.6%
05..........39.3....05...........52.7 +13.5%....05/2004..56,8 +4,1%....05/2005..60.6 +3.8%
06..........47.8....06...........57.0 +9.2%......06/2004..61,0 +4,0%....06/2005..62.1 +1,1%
07..........56.1....07...........67.0 +10.9%....07/2004..71,3 +4,3%....07/2005..71,3 +0,0%
08..........56.0....08...........69.3 +13.3%....08/2004..71,3 +2,0%....08/2005..71,3 +0,1%
09..........53.9....09...........61.1 +7.2%......09/2004..65,6 +4,5%....09/2005..66,6 +1,0%
10..........49.5....10...........56.6 +7.1%......10/2004..60,6 +4.0%....10/2005..61,2 +0,6%
11..........45.1....11...........56.6 +11.7%....11/2004..56,8 +0,3%....11/2005..59,3 +2,5%
12..........51.7....12...........59.1 +7.4%......12/2004..61.8 +2.8%....12/2005..63,8 +1,9%
OO-VEX

PAA · Post by **PAA** » 16 Mar 2006, 14:48

Just out of curiosity regarding African markets: I understand there are several specifics regarding bilaterals Belgium to Kenya, Rwanda or RDC. But how about neighbouring countries and places? Is competition so still on African routes that adding one extra section flying a couple of O&D's will make you quickly a strong player? Might sound naïve question, but my knowledge of this market is minimal. Also, by foucinsg heavily on the African routes, is there no risk of unbalncing the network in development? At the end of the day, Asia-Europe routes with a combo could prove a good deal as wrll couldn't they?

sn-remember · Post by **sn-remember** » 16 Mar 2006, 17:57

I tend to agree also with you ATC and PAA

Indeed the 747Combi operation could be considered as an interesting strategic option (As you say the KLM strategy paid off)
The african market can probably better be served using the 747Combi than the current A330's fleet.
So why not try it ?

And as you rightly point out PAA, the 747Combi could equally be operated on eastern markets such as China, Korea, Japan or India where SNba currently and sadly does'nt dare investing a euro...

firrech · Post by **firrech** » 16 Mar 2006, 20:17

When I check on AEA website, i see + 11.1% for SN in January 2006.
Is there a mistake?

Thanks

DannyVDB · Post by **DannyVDB** » 16 Mar 2006, 21:52

No, the 11,1% is the additonal number of pax. Indeed the growth at BRU airport in January was entirely on SNBA's account.

Danny

Lukas_Ridgeston · Post by **Lukas_Ridgeston** » 19 Mar 2006, 00:36

Does anyone have figures for the total seat offer by SNBA (or SNVA)? Is there any growth in that? Or is the growth in pax numbers completely translated in a higher load factor?

OO-VEX · Post by **OO-VEX** » 10 Apr 2006, 12:34

The AEA just released the February figures

http://www.aea.be/AEAWebsite/DataFiles/Pr06-013.pdf

SN Brussels Airlines:
01/2002.35.2..01/2003..49.2 +14.1%....01/2004..52.9 +3.6%....01/2005..59.3 +6.4%...01/2006..60.8 +1,5%
02..........41.5....02...........50.1 +8.6%......02/2004..55.8 +5.8%....02/2005..60.4 +4.6%....02/2006..61.6 +1,1%
03..........44.7....03...........51.2 +6.5%......03/2004..56.9 +5.7%....03/2005..59.7 +2.8%
04..........42.7....04...........54.2 +11.5%....04/2004..56.8 +2.6%....04/2005..59.4 +2.6%
05..........39.3....05...........52.7 +13.5%....05/2004..56,8 +4,1%....05/2005..60.6 +3.8%
06..........47.8....06...........57.0 +9.2%......06/2004..61,0 +4,0%....06/2005..62.1 +1,1%
07..........56.1....07...........67.0 +10.9%....07/2004..71,3 +4,3%....07/2005..71,3 +0,0%
08..........56.0....08...........69.3 +13.3%....08/2004..71,3 +2,0%....08/2005..71,3 +0,1%
09..........53.9....09...........61.1 +7.2%......09/2004..65,6 +4,5%....09/2005..66,6 +1,0%
10..........49.5....10...........56.6 +7.1%......10/2004..60,6 +4.0%....10/2005..61,2 +0,6%
11..........45.1....11...........56.6 +11.7%....11/2004..56,8 +0,3%....11/2005..59,3 +2,5%
12..........51.7....12...........59.1 +7.4%......12/2004..61.8 +2.8%....12/2005..63,8 +1,9%

OO-VEX

ATC · Post by **ATC** » 09 Aug 2006, 21:36

How is the LF of SNBA the last few months ?

They started the "book early deals" begin this year to attract more passengers and increase the LF.

Has it worked ?
If not, than SN sold a lot of tickets with a lower price to the same number of passengers. Meaning that the revenues for the first six months have decreased and maybe the profits also fail.

Somebody more info ?

ATC

Post by **airbuske** » 09 Aug 2006, 21:53

I made a small update

SN Brussels Airlines:
01/2002.35.2..01/2003..49.2 +14.1%....01/2004..52.9 +3.6%....01/2005..59.3 +6.4%...01/2006..60.8 +1,5%
02..........41.5....02...........50.1 +8.6%......02/2004..55.8 +5.8%....02/2005..60.4 +4.6%....02/2006..61.6 +1,1%
03..........44.7....03...........51.2 +6.5%......03/2004..56.9 +5.7%....03/2005..59.7 +2.8%....03/2006..60.4 +0,7%
04..........42.7....04...........54.2 +11.5%....04/2004..56.8 +2.6%....04/2005..59.4 +2.6%....04/2006..69.0 +9,6%
05..........39.3....05...........52.7 +13.5%....05/2004..56,8 +4,1%....05/2005..60.6 +3.8%....05/2006..61.6 +1,3%
06..........47.8....06...........57.0 +9.2%......06/2004..61,0 +4,0%....06/2005..62.1 +1,1%....06/2006..
07..........56.1....07...........67.0 +10.9%....07/2004..71,3 +4,3%....07/2005..71,3 +0,0%
08..........56.0....08...........69.3 +13.3%....08/2004..71,3 +2,0%....08/2005..71,3 +0,1%
09..........53.9....09...........61.1 +7.2%......09/2004..65,6 +4,5%....09/2005..66,6 +1,0%
10..........49.5....10...........56.6 +7.1%......10/2004..60,6 +4.0%....10/2005..61,2 +0,6%
11..........45.1....11...........56.6 +11.7%....11/2004..56,8 +0,3%....11/2005..59,3 +2,5%
12..........51.7....12...........59.1 +7.4%......12/2004..61.8 +2.8%....12/2005..63,8 +1,9%

As you can see a big increase in April

ATC · Post by **ATC** » 09 Aug 2006, 22:11

Thank you airbuske for the quick answer.

Is there an explanation for the big increase in April.

ATC