Aviation and the Ebola epidemic in West-Africa

[Passenger]

Dr. Thomas Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, told reporters that the health care worker should not have been on the plane — both because she had cared for the Ebola patient and because she had a temperature of 99.5 degrees before she boarded.

“She should not have traveled on a commercial airline,” Frieden said.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola- ... ry-n226551

You've forgot the next phrase:

Federal health officials said Wednesday that they were trying to track down and interview all 132 people on the flight, Frontier Airlines Flight 1143. Still, Frieden said that there was “an extremely low likelihood” that anyone on the flight was exposed to Ebola.

[Passenger]

The Belgian division of Doctors Without Borders have a training centre in Brussels where doctors and nurses are learned how to protect thelselves before they travel to ebola countries to save lives:

http://nieuws.vtm.be/buitenland/112284- ... pverleners

[airazurxtror]

Senior U.S. officials are growing more worried about an Ebola outbreak that has now infected two health workers in Dallas, including one who traveled on a commercial airliner with a fever a day before being diagnosed with the disease.

The CDC is contacting all 132 passengers who were onboard the Frontier Airlines flight from Cleveland to Dallas on Monday along with a nurse who treated Thomas Eric Duncan before he became the first person to die of Ebola in the U.S. CDC director Dr. Thomas Frieden bluntly told reporters on Wednesday that the nurse "should not have traveled" on the plane because she was one of dozens who were being monitored for exposure to the deadly disease.
Frieden said all health workers who came in contact with Duncan, who died October 8, would now be restricted from traveling commercially. Still, he said that because the second nurse did not exhibit symptoms on the flight from Cleveland, the risk to other passengers remains "extremely low."

When Duncan became the first person diagnosed with Ebola in the U.S. earlier this month, Frieden confidently said public health officials would "stop it in its tracks." That line has notably disappeared from his talking points, and he has acknowledged the CDC did not react quickly or strongly enough to dispatch its own team to Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas.

Read more :
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archi ... la/381502/

[FlightMate]

Passenger, I agree, experts call for more medical staff in Africa. But are they calling for more tourists back to Belgium?

If Belgium (and Europe) had had-oc flights to transport medical staff to Africa, will you be happy for SN to stop flying there? If not, why not?

[Passenger]

France implements a medical check on passengers coming from ebola regions.

France will also increase its efforts in Guinee:

http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2014/ ... oports.php

[lumumba]

Passenger, I agree, experts call for more medical staff in Africa. But are they calling for more tourists back to Belgium?

If Belgium (and Europe) had had-oc flights to transport medical staff to Africa, will you be happy for SN to stop flying there? If not, why not?

Because people has the right to move and like that you can control it at least for a part !

[Passenger]

hln.be is the largest news outlet in Belgium. So if most people there don't agree with SN/government, it is a reference IMO.

Another "reference" in the debate is this post on the HLN.be forum:

"...Ebola is door de VS opzettelijk verspreid in Afrika dit om de aandacht ivm Syrië en Irak af te leiden. En wij burgers lopen allemaal in dit viraal dramaverhaal..."

Translation: The USA have distributed ebola on purpose in Africa, to distract attention from Syria and Iraq. And we, citizens, believe this viral ebola drama story.

[sn-remember]

The medical check at arrival is the first step ..
A 21 days quarantine is the next step.
But the infrastructure must be ready, and who will pay ?

[sn-remember]

hln.be is the largest news outlet in Belgium. So if most people there don't agree with SN/government, it is a reference IMO.

Another "reference" in the debate is this post on the HLN.be forum:

"...Ebola is door de VS opzettelijk verspreid in Afrika dit om de aandacht ivm Syrië en Irak af te leiden. En wij burgers lopen allemaal in dit viraal dramaverhaal..."

Translation: The USA have distributed ebola on purpose in Africa, to distract attention from Syria and Iraq. And we, citizens, believe this viral ebola drama story.

This stupidity is spread a.o. by the minister of something in Guinea I was reading ..
But it is an African sort of populism .. When some ill hit a community, some culprit must be pointed to, it's not new.
Is it really worth mentioning on this thread ?
It is of interest to the medical teams deployed on the front though, encounter of hostility is possible.

[Passenger]

Another "reference" in the debate is this post on the HLN.be forum:

"...Ebola is door de VS opzettelijk verspreid in Afrika dit om de aandacht ivm Syrië en Irak af te leiden. En wij burgers lopen allemaal in dit viraal dramaverhaal..."

Translation: The USA have distributed ebola on purpose in Africa, to distract attention from Syria and Iraq. And we, citizens, believe this viral ebola drama story.

Is it really worth mentioning on this thread ?

Ask Flanker2 ; he introduced that forum as reference in this debate:

The latest comments on hln.be:

jef
Wanneer gaat men BA verplichten van te stoppen met vluchten op de risico landen? Wanneer gaat Zaventhem maatregelen nemen en koorts meten, wanneer gaat de regering maatregelen verplicht opleggen? Wanneer?

Bergliefhebber
Kan de verantwoordelijke minister voor Verkeer, Transport Brussels Airlines eens niet tot de orde roepen: stoppen met naar ginder te vliegen of anders licentie kwijt. Punt gedaan. Maar ja, het is een publiek geheim dat B.A. . op de rand van het bankroet staat.

kelwau
Ik begrijp niet dat er blijft gevlogen worden op landen waar reeds ebola werd vastgesteld

Billie01
Natuurlijk doet Belgie weer niets. Ten tijde van Tsernobyl was hier ook alles ok. Ons Miet wou ook paniek vermijden.

Yorgi Frankiev
Ik vind Ebola een bedreiging maar een epidemie is hier uitgesloten. Met andere woorden: de impact van een griep is groter voor de bevolking. Ik stel voor de passagiersvluchten van en naar Afrika stop te zetten, quarantaine in te stellen, hulp te bieden waar nodig en verder de patiënten laten uitzieken.

[sn-remember]

oh please ...

[Squelsh]

Hahaha, yes, of course hln.be is great to spot some really really dumb malinformed internauts that speak and proverbially remove all doubt, but also honestly it's very often a good place to get to the buikgevoel/tummy-feeling of society. After scanning a few pages the trend gets noticed, kinda like when the first results come in after elections. I Think that's why it was mentioned here.

MHO: 50/50. I don't want to let the emo side get hold of me, but it is indeed a decease I'm very afraid of (especially after having watched the movie ebola syndrome 15yrs ago ). Ratio side tells me the exponential factor is not like with flu variants/mutations that are airborne. Lines like "If this spreads into Belgium and innocent children die.." do not contribute to the ratio-side because it tries to put too much weight on the emo scale

So talking 'bout references... on wikipedia; "Research has shown that a highly contagious strain of H5N1, one that might allow airborne transmission between mammals, can be reached in only a few mutations, raising concerns about a pandemic"
What was the impact on aviation when bird flu hit Asia?

[sean1982]

Passenger, I agree, experts call for more medical staff in Africa. But are they calling for more tourists back to Belgium?

If Belgium (and Europe) had had-oc flights to transport medical staff to Africa, will you be happy for SN to stop flying there? If not, why not?

You wont get an answer flightmate, Google cant answer that.

[sean1982]

The second nurse that got infected with ebola in the USA turned out to be allready symptomatic when she got onboard of the frontier airlines aircraft !

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/15/healt ... ?hpt=hp_t1

http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/960/Buitenland ... tuig.dhtml

[FlightMate]

So much for "an extremely low likelihood" for contamination.

Well, we'll see in 20 days.
Hopefully by then, none of the other passengers or persons she was in contact with will have been allowed to travel.
Now is the time to react in the US. Quarantine the 132 passengers, crew, and people she's met.

Better than quarantine 10.000 persons in a few months.

[airazurxtror]

Des contrôles des passagers à l'arrivée à Roissy sur le vol quotidien d'Air France en provenance de Conakry, en Guinée, l'un des principaux pays touchés par Ebola, démarreront samedi matin, a annoncé jeudi 16 octobre la ministre (française) de la Santé Marisol Touraine.
"Il y aura à l'arrivée, des équipes médicales qui prendront la température des passagers à la passerelle, donc avant l'entrée dans l'aéroport" parisien, a déclaré la ministre. Elle a également annoncé un renforcement des contrôles au départ des vols à Conakry.

http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/virus-eb ... amedi.html

Checks on passengers arriving at Roissy on Air France daily flight from Conakry will start Saturday morning , announced Thursday, October 16 the French Minister of Health Marisol Touraine .
"There will be medical teams to take the temperature of passengers on the bridge , so before entering the airport," said the minister. She also announced tighter controls of departing flights at Conakry.

[FlightMate]

Surprising to see AF fly there again. What makes it safer than before?
is it better under control now than months earlier?

[Flanker2]

I was surprised that even as mismanaged a company as AF stopped flying to the Ebola-3. So it's no surprise to me that they start their ops there again.
Also, as no one shows objection to SN's operations, why not?

However, they are forgetting that the French are very vocal... It won't last for long.
Wait a few weeks for the first cases in France, there will be protests all over CDG.

[FlightMate]

And more reasons for french crew to go on strike

[airazurxtror]

Un avión de Air France con 183 pasajeros a bordo ha sido inmovilizado en el aeropuerto Madrid-Barajas por una emergencia sanitaria, según medios locales.
Se trata de un pasajero sospechoso de tener síntomas de ébola.
El hombre, que no presenta fiebre, voló a la capital francesa desde Lagos (Nigeria), según El Mundo.
El aparato salió del aeropuerto parisino de Charles de Gaulle a las 09:35 horas de esta mañana (hora local) y aterrizó en Barajas a las 11:30 horas.

http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/vie ... id-barajas


An Air France plane with 183 passengers on board has been detained in the Madrid -Barajas airport for a health emergency , according to local media .
A passenger is suspected to have symptoms of Ebola .
The man, who had no fever , flew to the French capital from Lagos ( Nigeria) , according to El Mundo.