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Turkish Airlines has received $225 million in compensation from Boeing to cover losses incurred over the U.S. manufacturer’s grounded 737 MAX aircraft. The total amount is including $150 million in compensation and $75 million covering things such as spare parts and training.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-boei ... SKBN1YZ0A4
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American Airlines plans to follow Southwest in sharing compensation from Boeing over the 737 Max grounding with its employees.

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Ryanair is prepared for further delays to the delivery of its B737 MAX, until October 2020. The carrier will only discuss compensation after the aircraft had been delivered.
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And no discussion between Boeing and TUI about compensation ?

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nordikcam wrote:
03 Jan 2020, 22:31
And no discussion between Boeing and TUI about compensation ?
Like Ryanair, they are waiting for the MAX to be back in service before negociating.
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Copa Airlines delays planned B737 MAX 9 service resumption to 01 May 2020.

Boeing and the FAA confirmed they are reviewing a wiring issue that could potentially cause a short circuit on the grounded B737 MAX.

Boeing is considering plans to raise more debt to bolster finances strained by the grounding of its B737 MAX.
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American Airlines says it has reached a confidential compensation agreement with Boeing for financial damages caused by the grounding of the 737 MAX aircraft.

The carrier said it believes the 737 MAX will return to service on 7 April.

https://buyingbusinesstravel.com/news/a ... th-boeing/

Boeing and the FAA confirmed they are reviewing a wiring issue that could potentially cause a short circuit on the grounded B737 MAX.

Boeing is considering plans to raise more debt to bolster finances strained by the grounding of its B737 MAX.
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Boeing said it would reassign as many as 3,000 workers that make the B737 MAX, and Spirit AeroSystems announced plans for voluntary layoffs ahead of a planned production halt of the grounded jetliner.
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“This airplane is designed by clowns, who in turn are supervised by monkeys,” one company pilot said in a message to a colleague in 2016, referring to the 737 Max

Other quotes from Boeing employees:

“I just jedi mind tricked this fools. I should be given $1,000 every time I take one of these calls. I save this company a sick amount of $$$$.”

“Would you put your family on a MAX simulator trained aircraft? I wouldn’t.”

“I’ll be shocked if the FAA passes this turd.”

“This is a joke. This airplane is ridiculous.”

“Best part is we are re-starting this whole thing with the 777X with the same supplier and have signed up to an even more aggressive schedule!”

“Jesus, it’s doomed.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ase-on-max
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Aeromexico to take early delivery of five B787s as part of the compensation agreement with Boeing for B737 MAX groundings.

Boeing costs would rise an estimated US$5 billion if pilots need to get simulator training before flying the B737 MAX.

Spirit AeroSystems plans to cut about 2,800 jobs as the B737 MAX remains grounded far longer than expected and the financial impact ripples through its supply chain.

https://www.aviation24.be/manufacturers ... n-wichita/

The FAA has fined Boeing $5.4 million for its role in the deficient quality control of the 737 MAX slat tracks. This is on top of the $3.9 million it levied in December for the same problem on the 737 NG.
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That starts to smell coco-loco business, A/C CG/ behaviour is out of realistic figures in some flight configutation.
And nothing can be done about it...
I'll not flying it, although I did twice in the past.
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Even in official mails, people will use "bar-talk". Like pilots judging their management... not always realistic as they hardly ever (rather never) know the complete story as to why certain decisions were/are taken.

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Boeing is facing a bill of more than US$8 billion in compensation for airlines with B737 MAX exposure, with the bill rising by $1 billion every month, says aviation economist Chris Tarry.

The FAA proposes a US$5.4 million civil penalty against Boeing for allegedly installing nonconforming slat tracks on approximately 178 B737 MAX, which Boeing subsequently presented as ready for airworthiness certification.
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Just re-read EASA certification requirement for large aeroplane (CS-25) and found CS25.672 on stability augmentation system, which ecompass MCAS imho.

It basically says that in case of malfunction of such a system,
- there must be a clear warning to the pilot
- it must be possible to counteract the system without exceptionnal skills by acting directly on the flight controls or by switching off the system
- it must be designed so that in case of failure the aircraft remains controllable

It's a really short summary, read the requirement fully if you need details

Even if it is not directly a failure of the MCAS but a failure of the AoA sensor that led to intempesstive actionning of the MCAS, Airworthiness Authorities clearly can show Boeing their system is unsafe and must be deeply reviewed, and not just by "pimping it", which would explain the time needed by Boeing to have this problem fixed.

CS 25.672 Stability augmentation and
automatic and poweroperated systems


If the functioning of stability augmentation or
other automatic or power-operated systems is
necessary to show compliance with the flight
characteristics requirements of this CS-25,
such systems must comply with CS 25.671
and the following:
(a) A warning, which is clearly
distinguishable to the pilot under expected
flight conditions without requiring his attention,
must be provided for any failure in the stability
augmentation system or in any other
automatic or power-operated system, which
could result in an unsafe condition if the pilot
were not aware of the failure. Warning
systems must not activate the control systems.
(b) The design of the stability
augmentation system or of any other
automatic or power-operated system must
permit initial counteraction of failures of the
type specified in CS 25.671 (c) without
requiring exceptional pilot skill or strength, by
either the deactivation of the system, or a
failed portion thereof, or by overriding the
failure by movement of the flight controls in
the normal sense.
(c) It must be shown that after any single
failure of the stability augmentation system or
any other automatic or power-operated system
(1) The aeroplane is safely
controllable when the failure or malfunction
occurs at any speed or altitude within the
approved operating limitations that is
critical for the type of failure being
considered. (See AMC 25.672 (c) (1).)
(2) The controllability and
manoeuvrability requirements of this CS-25
are met within a practical operational flight
envelope (for example, speed, altitude,
normal acceleration, and aeroplane
configurations) which is described in the
Aeroplane Flight Manual; and
(3) The trim, stability, and stall
characteristics are not impaired below a
level needed to permit continued safe flight
and landing.

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American Airlines now anticipates that the resumption of scheduled commercial service on American’s fleet of B737 MAX aircraft will occur 04 June 2020.

Ryanair could receive its first deliveries of up to 10 grounded B737 MAX from Boeing by April 2020, says Chief Marketing Officer Kenny Jacobs, but cautioned that the timing was dependent on regulators. But Ryanair does not rule out closing more bases in Spain if there are more delays in deliveries of the B737 MAX.
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Southwest Airlines says it doesn’t expect the B737 MAX to be included in its flight schedule until early June 2020.
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New software flaw could further delay Boeing’s 737 MAX

The issue involves how software on the plane checks itself to ensure it’s receiving valid data, said a person familiar with the issue who wasn’t authorized to speak publicly about it. It occurs when the system is initially starting up, the person said.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... 37-max-jet
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The New York Times examines the 2009 crash of flight TK1951 of Turkish Airlines 737-800 in Amsterdam (an accident that killed several Boeing engineers) and finds parallels to the design problems that caused the MAX crashes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/20/busi ... dents.html

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"The Dutch investigators focused blame on the pilots for failing to react properly when an automated system malfunctioned and caused the plane to plummet into a field, killing nine people.

The fault was hardly the crew’s alone, however. Decisions by Boeing, including risky design choices and faulty safety assessments, also contributed to the accident on the Turkish Airlines flight
."

Meanwhile, Boeing seeks to borrow $10 billion or more amid 737 MAX crisis!

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-boei ... SKBN1ZJ27T

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"The company has estimated the costs of the 737 MAX grounding at more than $9 billion to date, and is expected to disclose significant additional costs during its fourth-quarter earnings release on Jan. 29. "
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