NIMBY caught flying purely for fun at his own airport!

[tolipanebas]

Well, we all knew NIMBY's are not really the textbook example of people having consistent ideas as they are generally only opposed to flying when it is done above their heads in their own wellmaintained backyards, but it seems WILLOO's chairman is even less consistent than that as he was recently caught redhanded on a purely recreational flying trip at OST!

http://kw.knack.be/west-vlaanderen/nieu ... YHkg.email

What's more, it seems his very own son is one of those few boys and girls who keep flying their visual training patterns at OST on sunny weekends, sometimes several hours in a row!!! But of course, the real nuisance comes from that occasional single JAF 738 or TCB A320 wispering by twice daily, right?

[Acid-drop]

lovely stuff ! haha

[jan_olieslagers]

His apology is impressive: "Wiloo are working about new routes for small planes, and this was a good occasion to check them!" At least he avoids being called an armchair specialist. Even so, I am not really utterly convinced...

And even if new procedures are under consideration at EBOS, which would be quite exceptional, I am not sure Wiloo will be among the parties consulted.

[stratofreighter]

"Denecker" heeft zichzelf "genekt"...

[fretn]

This made my day, what a hypocrite .

[b-west]

I wonder if he flew over his own house... the irony meter must have exploded.

[Conti764]

A little less 'in your face'-ish are the numerous NIMBY's around BRU that fly to their holiday destination. And it doesn't necessarely need to be BRU where they leave from.

[regi]

A little less 'in your face'-ish are the numerous NIMBY's around BRU that fly to their holiday destination. And it doesn't necessarely need to be BRU where they leave from.

Exactly. I would propose to all inhabitants of communities which vote against airplanes above their heads, that they are forbidden to board airplanes at Zaventem. Euh, well, legally probably impossible. And it is also not positive for our aviation industry. Bad idea.
But what is legally 100% OK is to give a discount to all passengers who come from communities who did NOT object to airplanes flying above their mansions. Because it is free to give a discount to who you want.
Let's call it the non complainer discount.
It would be very simple to apply: just fill in your postal code during booking.

Oh yes, Toli, thank you for that posting. It made my day.

[cnc]

It would be very simple to apply: just fill in your postal code during booking.

how does your postal code proves you are pro or contra airport/aviation whatever?
you will always have retards in the world, the only problem is when some of those retards have a position in politics or are a judge like we see a lot here in europe.

[regi]

It would be very simple to apply: just fill in your postal code during booking.

how does your postal code proves you are pro or contra airport/aviation whatever?
you will always have retards in the world, the only problem is when some of those retards have a position in politics or are a judge like we see a lot here in europe.

yeah I know, just an idea, but practically unworkable.

[teddybAIR]

Because it is free to give a discount to who you want.
Let's call it the non complainer discount.

Sir, you need to get your facts right! A commercial company offering a discount is legally obliged to offer the terms and conditions of that discount to any consumer (B2C) who asks for the same discounts!
Secondly, I live in Steenokkerzeel and must say that almost nobody in my neigbourhood complaints about noise nuissance! I litteraly enjoy the spectacle every day...but hey, if it makes you feel good to stereotype, feel free: it's a free world!

[regi]

Because it is free to give a discount to who you want.
Let's call it the non complainer discount.

Sir, you need to get your facts right! A commercial company offering a discount is legally obliged to offer the terms and conditions of that discount to any consumer (B2C) who asks for the same discounts!

quite strange that European legislation says differently. I tried this in my defence with the help of a member of the EU parliament but without result.
Very simple: if your friend bought a car and got 20% discount, and you go to the same garage, the same day, to buy the same car, and you ask also 20% discount, the garage is not obliged to give you 20%. They can give you nothing or 25%, whatever.
Typical for a discount is that it depends on conditions. It is normal that a car salesman will give you a high discount if you are a loyal customer. But if you have shown to be a disloyal customer, you don't receive the same treatment.
But you are right that an automatic discount is obliged. But again, in practice it doesn't work.

[regi]

Because it is free to give a discount to who you want.
Let's call it the non complainer discount.

Secondly, I live in Steenokkerzeel and must say that almost nobody in my neigbourhood complaints about noise nuissance! I litteraly enjoy the spectacle every day...but hey, if it makes you feel good to stereotype, feel free: it's a free world!

Did I mention 1 community in particular? Don't feel attacked personally or "stereotyped".
( but if you would ask me to stereotype: I am not really thinking about Steenokkerzeel, but about so called green party Ecolo politicians from rich residential communities a bit more to the south. )
My reaction to punish inhabitants of certain communities who financially profit from punishing aviation but do fly themselves was born out of frustration with this ultimate expression of hypocracy. But I do agree that it is not a workable idea. It would not be fair to those who are in favour of aviation.

Btw, I wonder if the different noise rules of the communities ( Flanders-Brussels-Wallonie) are also subject in the on going legislative negotiations. Maybe we can discuss this further in subject "last election of Belgium"? I didn't read yet 1 word about it.

[teddybAIR]

quite strange that European legislation says differently. I tried this in my defence with the help of a member of the EU parliament but without result.

Euhm, there is no such thing as European legislation! The EU emits guidelines which can or cannot be translated into national legislation. Detail, right?

Very simple: if your friend bought a car and got 20% discount, and you go to the same garage, the same day, to buy the same car, and you ask also 20% discount, the garage is not obliged to give you 20%. They can give you nothing or 25%, whatever.

Well, I kindly invite you to systematically provide discounts in function of geographical data only. Commercial disounts can differ accross B2C customers provided that there is a sound economical rationale behind it (ex: volume discounts, loyalty discounts, etc.) But the principle that governs this all is equality! Equally loyal customers need to have access to the same conditions.

[regi]

quite strange that European legislation says differently. I tried this in my defence with the help of a member of the EU parliament but without result.

Euhm, there is no such thing as European legislation! The EU emits guidelines which can or cannot be translated into national legislation. Detail, right?

Hm- right, guideline. That was also the reply I got.
But again, the discount thing is difficult to manage. As a customer you have to proof that you are entitled to exactlty the same conditions. And how will a customer do that?

But maybe we are straying away from the subject too far away.

Can we conclude that it was a good joke that this Wiloo caracter got nailed to the pole?

[teddybAIR]

Yes, we can agree on that!

By the way: Saturday october 1st I was flying a VFR flight out of Antwerp. After the flight I went to the navigation office to pay my landing fees while a Mustang was flying circuits. I guess by the time I was at the navigation office, it had just made it's second - be it sporty - circuit. All of a sudden the phone rings and from the conversation of the officer on duty I could make up that it was someone from the neigbourhood complaining about the nuissance the mustang was generating.

IMHO there are 2 sides to this story and we aviation enthousiasts have to meet our end as well. I have a wonderfull hobby, but I make sure that while flying I take noise nuissance into account. In practise this means that I avoid densely populated areas. When flying from runway 29 and leaving the ctr, you overfly the Antwerp Ring to avoid the city maximally. In the circuit, you avoid to overfly town centers. Safety is the primary reason why we do this, but I sometimes see pilots ignoring those simple rules and it makes me wonder whether it is so hard to show just a little respect to the people on the ground.

Another example is airwork. Belgian aviation legislation requires us to remain 500ft above the nearest obstacle, so when practising engine failures, you need to take this into account OR practise at an active aerodrome. I regularly spot aircraft ignoring this rule and here Brussels Info or Antwerpen Tower reporting to an aircraft that it has been spotted rather low. Rules and regulations are there for our safety and to make different communities able to live together...we should be prepared to meet our end as well!

[stratofreighter]

The local Oostende Airport supporters' group of course could not give this a miss...

http://replo.be/Nieuws/J%20Denecker%20bekeerd.html :thumbup:

[sn26567]

Euhm, there is no such thing as European legislation! The EU emits guidelines which can or cannot be translated into national legislation. Detail, right?

Not so. There are two types of European legislation:

• Directives, which have to be translated into national legislation
• Regulations, which are immediately applicable, without the need to be translated into national legislation

For example, the legislation applicable to compensations in case of delayed or cancelled flights is a Regulation!

[stratofreighter]

The local Oostende Airport supporters' group of course could not give this a miss...

http://replo.be/Nieuws/J%20Denecker%20bekeerd.html :thumbup:

Main site at http://www.replo.be/ .

[MKA742]

What's more, it seems his very own son is one of those few boys and girls who keep flying their visual training patterns at OST on sunny weekends, sometimes several hours in a row!!!

Don't know where you get your info but, I don't have the money to do so (I wish).

True, not the best idea of him to go flying at Ostend given his position But it's true he wanted to fly with me for once and I am a member of the local flying club.
And no, we did not fly over his house, or any in his area for that matter. I showed him that a short circuit late landing approach is not safe and he agreed. That was my goal for that flight.
Also, despite of what many think, he is not against flying.

For those who don't know me, I don't support my dad or his vision for the airport. I am a pilot and I love flying. It has even taken me on great adventures in Africa.

So don't judge me unless you know me or shut the f*ck up.

Safe flying all!