Aeroflot B735 flight SU821 crash

[NCB]

Tail number VP-BKO, Boeing 737-500 of Aeroflot,

Flight SU821 SVO-Perm crashed near Perm.
82 pax + 6 crew are reported killed.

communication was lost during approach to Perm.

Thoughts to all involved.

Aircraft history:
08/09/1992 Braathens LN-BRW
24/09/1992 Xiamen Airlines B-2591
12/03/1993 China Southwest Airlines B-2591
01/03/2003 Air China B-2591 Stored 03/2008
29/05/2008 Aeroflot-Nord VP-BKO
Source: Airfleets.net

Link to a pic of the aircraft in its full glory:
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php? ... 458&nseq=0


http://www.avsim.su/forum/uploads/month ... 349103.jpg

Some dramatic comments on Airliners.net:

My dad was supposed to be on that flight. Just called him, he missed check in by accident!
Just unbelievable. RIP to all those onboard!

Aeroflot777

[tsv]

Was just talking to some people in Perm. Local TV there is reporting the flight was asked to go around (or requested to go around, I'm not sure which) and crashed on second attempt to land.

Also reports of a foreign VIP of some sort being on board.

RIP to all concerned

[sdbelgium]

More info on http://www.flightlevel.be/080914_aerofl ... doden.html (Dutch)

[regi]

They should have believed in their own product and put money in their own aviation industry instead of buying foreign. Many Tu-154 crashed. But so did B737's.
The big difference is that the Russian planes were adopted to the local situation, and the imported Boeings and Airbusses not.

My personnal believe is that if the oil prices remain high enough , The state will put cash into the Russian aviation industry.

The above note is not a view on the cause of the crash at all. Deep sympathy with all the families.

[JAF737]

The big difference is that the Russian planes were adopted to the local situation, and the imported Boeings and Airbusses not.

What do you exactly mean by that?

[LX-LGX]

Passengers List - seems only available in Russian:

http://www.mchs.gov.ru/emergency/detail.php?ID=9642

(Source = http://www.mchs.gov.ru/en/ = official Russian Emergency Services)

[summersso]

The big difference is that the Russian planes were adopted to the local situation, and the imported Boeings and Airbusses not.

What do you exactly mean by that?

Good question. I'd like to hear an explanation too! At first I thought you may be referring to the weather, but A+B aircraft operate in extreme conditions too. Are you referring to maintenance, access to spares, costs, training etc?

[jan_olieslagers]

With the little information I have, it seems to me rather that the Russian situation is rapidly adapting to Western planes. And that Russian and Ukrainian plane designs come closer and closer to Western standards.

[regi]

sorry for the late reply. I typed an extensice one but than time out. All gone.

Yes, spare parts, maintenance, training and language are 1 group of subjects. But that is about the current situation.
What I did mean was that Russian airplanes had been designed especially for the ex USSR environment. Not only the extreme weather conditions played a role. And yes, B A planes were adopted to those extreme conditions as well.
But I give 1 exemple: ground clearance. Russian designs had to take care much more of bad runways than in western countries. So the engines were mounted higher. Air intake of turbo prop planes was of a higher priority than with western airplanes.

But again, this is no speculation about the cause of the crash.

I am convinced that the Russian market is big enough to sustain its own aviation industry.

[regi]

very worrying news from Russia.
If you read the following news, you start to make all kind of assumptions, bad for people with anxiety problems !
So they talk about an extra check before take off, and not responding pilots to traffic control, and disappearing maintenance records,...Read this horror movie sript at:
http://www.moscowtimes.ru/article/600/42/370990.htm

[sdbelgium]

http://www.moscowtimes.ru/article/1010/42/372073.htm

According to this Moscow Times article, which quotes the head of the State Aviation Inspection Service, the pilot and copilot of the ill-fated Aeroflot-Nord (the once and future AVL) 737-500 that crashed in poor weather near Perm had fake certification documents showing they passed pre-flight training courses. The flight attendants, according to the official, also had false documents to fly internationally, although they were on a domestic flight at the time.

While the pilots had thousands of hours on Tupolev aircraft, clearly they were not very familiar with 737-500 and crashed on their second attempt to land at Perm.

(found on A.net)

[LX-LGX]

Rumour : the final investigation report states that the pilot was drunk...

Source: Het Laatste Nieuws:
http://tinyurl.com/ak5aep

(it remains a rumour untill someone has the link to the report)