A Northwest DC-10 heading to Mumbai returned to Schiphol this morning. The plane was guided by 2 F16's and a few people had to leave the plane, who are under investigation now. The reason why they had to return to Schiphol is still unknown.
source: NOS
Northwest DC-10 returns to Schiphol (EHAM/AMS)
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From a Dutch source:
"Volgens Northwest Airlines gedroeg een aantal passagiers zich verdacht. Mogelijk zou een gevecht zijn uitgebroken."
According to Northwest Airlines a number, (11?) of passengers showed a suspect behaviour. Possibly there was a fight on board.
(If the matter wasn't so serious, I would say: Don't all passengers have suspect looks when they see the NW catering? but this time they started a fight over the few pieces of meat?
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And isn't this the airline that wanted to fly with outsourced dlight attendants?
Why does it (always) happen with these airlines? Drunken passengers, disorderly passengers, fighting passengers, crews hitting 60year old ladies, muslim doctors getting offloaded because the just start a prayer...
It does not surprise me longer that there were only 149 passengers on the NW DC10. That is LF 50?
"Volgens Northwest Airlines gedroeg een aantal passagiers zich verdacht. Mogelijk zou een gevecht zijn uitgebroken."
According to Northwest Airlines a number, (11?) of passengers showed a suspect behaviour. Possibly there was a fight on board.
(If the matter wasn't so serious, I would say: Don't all passengers have suspect looks when they see the NW catering? but this time they started a fight over the few pieces of meat?
)And isn't this the airline that wanted to fly with outsourced dlight attendants?
Why does it (always) happen with these airlines? Drunken passengers, disorderly passengers, fighting passengers, crews hitting 60year old ladies, muslim doctors getting offloaded because the just start a prayer...
It does not surprise me longer that there were only 149 passengers on the NW DC10. That is LF 50?
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Check out the website of Huub Roem, Frequency Monitor Centre for full audio clip of the intercept. 
Sorry but the news is in Dutch.
Grt David
Sorry but the news is in Dutch.
Grt David
Maybe the other passengers new it was a DC10 and decided to fly an airline with equipment that was worth flying on. I thought these things were to be banned from most EUropean airports by now....what happened. I was on one last year from Minneapolis to Amsterdam and just thank my lucky stars that i got upgraded to Biz 'cos economy looked really nasty. Even biz was well, old.
NW42 again on Thursday.
Uiteindelijk zijn 12 passagiers gearresteerd door de marechaussee van Schiphol.
Dat is gebeurd op aanwijzing van de Nortwest bemanning.
Several passengers on the flight NW0042 to Bombay were taken off the plane for questioning.
12 passengers have been arrested, people that were designated by the NW crew.
Northwest passengers are staying in local hotels.
Northwest would try the flight to Mumbai again on Thursday. Advisor that one for you?
NW42 was flying from Amsterdam to Mumbai with 149 passengers but returned back to Amsterdam "...when a couple of passengers displayed behavior of concern," Northwest Airlines said in a statement released in the United States.
"Northwest is cooperating with the appropriate government officials. Flight 42 is cancelled for today, but will be traveling to Mumbai tomorrow. Passengers are being accommodated at local hotels"
Does the picture here reflect the actual situation @SPL? Near E77.
I suppose that if the aircraft is that close to buildings, there was no explosion danger?
Why does the marechaussee let these 11-12 bearded man go on board and later arrest them.
Why does the crew accept these people on board and take off with them?
Will that happen again tomorrow?
Dat is gebeurd op aanwijzing van de Nortwest bemanning.
Several passengers on the flight NW0042 to Bombay were taken off the plane for questioning.
12 passengers have been arrested, people that were designated by the NW crew.
Northwest passengers are staying in local hotels.
Northwest would try the flight to Mumbai again on Thursday. Advisor that one for you?
NW42 was flying from Amsterdam to Mumbai with 149 passengers but returned back to Amsterdam "...when a couple of passengers displayed behavior of concern," Northwest Airlines said in a statement released in the United States.
"Northwest is cooperating with the appropriate government officials. Flight 42 is cancelled for today, but will be traveling to Mumbai tomorrow. Passengers are being accommodated at local hotels"
Does the picture here reflect the actual situation @SPL? Near E77.I suppose that if the aircraft is that close to buildings, there was no explosion danger?
Why does the marechaussee let these 11-12 bearded man go on board and later arrest them.
Why does the crew accept these people on board and take off with them?
Will that happen again tomorrow?
however reportedly the F16's had to stay some 5km [3 mi] away from the plane while 'escorting' it. "normally" [in interception/escort mode] they fly right next to the plane.
apparently that was an assessment as well.. whatever it was.
the longer it stays silent about what REALLY happened, and what REALLY was the actual cause of the fuzz, the more serious it probably is/was.If it was just another false alarm, mouths usually go open fairly quick....
apparently that was an assessment as well.. whatever it was.
the longer it stays silent about what REALLY happened, and what REALLY was the actual cause of the fuzz, the more serious it probably is/was.If it was just another false alarm, mouths usually go open fairly quick....
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That is what you assume, jelger.jelger wrote:the longer it stays silent about what REALLY happened, and what REALLY was the actual cause of the fuzz, the more serious it probably is/was.If it was just another false alarm, mouths usually go open fairly quick....
There is interception and assessment.
But the fighter have to keep a distance in order to intervene.
Germany has a shoot down policy, but does the Netherlands have it?
I assume visual contact or other assessment was not needed, so they did not come in close.
But is a rambling band of 11 bearded chaps picking the guitar enough to be considered a threat?
I have seen football fans singing, whole marching bands playing while boarding, and receive an ovation by all the passengers and crew.
But intollerance makes all this inpossible. For many people.
NW's LF might even drop more on that line, which will make the screening shorter. That is mathematic and mathematic is logic, jelger.
En ik die dacht dat het aan mijn koptelefoon lag...Established02 wrote:> On a sidenote, do Belgian ATC-controllers have such a horrible accent as well 1
I was also amazed to hear how much their Dutch accent is reflected in their English.
The ATC lady kept on saying "Amsterdam", rather than "Emsterdem".
I think the Belgian ATC people do have a better English accent.
See my post in Languages
Imagine the American pilot has to fly trough that Dutch accent, then German accents, if he is lucky he will hear good English in Poland, Then he goes into Ukranian English look-a-like, or Turkish English. And the best is at the end: Bombay slang. And that all with his American accent...
Ah American accent. That is very varied in itself. You have northeast, down east, east coast west coast southern, midwestern and of course TexanSN30952 wrote:En ik die dacht dat het aan mijn koptelefoon lag...Established02 wrote:> On a sidenote, do Belgian ATC-controllers have such a horrible accent as well 1
I was also amazed to hear how much their Dutch accent is reflected in their English.
The ATC lady kept on saying "Amsterdam", rather than "Emsterdem".
I think the Belgian ATC people do have a better English accent.
See my post in Languages
Imagine the American pilot has to fly trough that Dutch accent, then German accents, if he is lucky he will hear good English in Poland, Then he goes into Ukranian English look-a-like, or Turkish English. And the best is at the end: Bombay slang. And that all with his American accent...
;);)Theres nothing better than slow cooked fall off the bone BBQ, Texas style
Dutch authorities said today incident aboard a Northwest Airlines probably had nothing to do with terrorism.
Sources say:
One of the 149 passengers on Flight 42 was Tim Nelson, the man who tipped off the Federal Bureau of Investigation about Zacarias Moussaoui. Mr. Nelson was a manager at the flight school where Mr. Moussaoui was receiving training at the time of his arrest in Aug. 2001.
Sources say:
One of the 149 passengers on Flight 42 was Tim Nelson, the man who tipped off the Federal Bureau of Investigation about Zacarias Moussaoui. Mr. Nelson was a manager at the flight school where Mr. Moussaoui was receiving training at the time of his arrest in Aug. 2001.
A very embarresing case for the dutch authorities. The 12 are transported to a hotel, with asstistance of the Indian embassy. The Indian state will take care of their repatriation. The 12 are affluent muslim indians from Mumbai, coming back from a trip to relatives in the Carabian Tobago islands. They were handling mobile phones and laptops in the aircraft. Together with their muslim dressing code that was enough for an international alert.
This case will be a major boost for Indians, Bangladeshis, Pakistanis to fly with their local airlines. It will take away a lot of business from the western airlines where almost everything is forbidden.
The last joke is that the dutch authorities don't want to give back the laptops because they need further investigation. Silly bxxxrds.
We just lost the rich south asian clientele.
This case will be a major boost for Indians, Bangladeshis, Pakistanis to fly with their local airlines. It will take away a lot of business from the western airlines where almost everything is forbidden.
The last joke is that the dutch authorities don't want to give back the laptops because they need further investigation. Silly bxxxrds.
We just lost the rich south asian clientele.
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Harassment in the name of security 
The detained people have returned and the media has been speaking to them, and it has been now realised that the West shall do anything under the garb, of its hideous activities.
Why can't they still catch the real ones..........or is it that they are shielding the very same ones, for fear of some closely guarded secrets being let out.
The detained people have returned and the media has been speaking to them, and it has been now realised that the West shall do anything under the garb, of its hideous activities. Why can't they still catch the real ones..........or is it that they are shielding the very same ones, for fear of some closely guarded secrets being let out.
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Aum Sweet Aum.
Maybe that was the problem on board the plane. :laugh: after all, if you have flown in Northworsterrr, I mean Northwest, the service is not that great, and frankly it probably wasn't great on that flight. Just kidding.SN30952 wrote:From a Dutch source:
"Volgens Northwest Airlines gedroeg een aantal passagiers zich verdacht. Mogelijk zou een gevecht zijn uitgebroken."
According to Northwest Airlines a number, (11?) of passengers showed a suspect behaviour. Possibly there was a fight on board.
(If the matter wasn't so serious, I would say: Don't all passengers have suspect looks when they see the NW catering? but this time they started a fight over the few pieces of meat?
Why should the dutch authorities be embarrassed ? What exactly were they supposed to do differently when a US plane, with a US pilot and staff, guarded by armed US airmarchals turns back to Schiphol because of a supposed terror alert on board. The dutch authorities simply held them for investigation, and cleared them when they found no problems. I'm sure if the same thing happened in the UK of the US, they'd find some small thing to charge them with anyway. I wonder who is going to pay for this whole circus in the end.regi wrote:A very embarresing case for the dutch authorities.
I agree that holding back of laptops seems like adding insult to injury.
This confirms once again the idea I've been getting the last few years that it's better to avoid most Anglosaxon airports and airlines where possible. The certainty of brutal searches and embarrassements (e.g. asking people to half undress in public, having to answer the same question over and over, getting "scanned", having to eat with plastic cutlery,...) and the risk of alerts (false or otherwise) and other trouble is simply getting too much. I suppose things are far worse still if you've got the right looks/nationality/religion.