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They are gonna have to accept that putting restrictions is the only way to have a continuous service. That should already have been put in place and accepted a long time ago. A few questions on that matter: How is capacity defined for an airport, for a tower position and for a sector (radar)? How d...

If you're happy to let the whole system collapse, I'm happy to see you go with it. And then we can think of using a foreign service. In the end we can thank all of you for this clarification. You still think we are taking a hostage here? We have tried offering continuity, he is not intrested as lon...

Yeps, VRT says so too. Skeyes to pays indemnities if failing to deliver. So it was a "kortgeding" indeed. And the indemnities amount to 250.000 euro per hour - that's not peanuts! https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2019/04/26/rechter-legt-dwangsommen-op-aan-skeyes-bij-werkonderbrekingen-di/ Wha...

The thing is that the public thinks ATCO's are the bad guys. I'm not so sure there. As pointed out before, there have already been critical remarks from (regional) politicians. With elections approaching fast, messrs. Bellot and Michel cannot keep up their silence - Mr Bellot might well be leaving ...

this management will have to leave To illustrate at least that someone is still reading: yes that seems very obvious. But it is not going to happen unless a strong arm government decides. Which is obviously nowhere in sight. The thing is that the public thinks ATCO's are the bad guys. I just can't ...

By the way, in a grid system, one night is worth one day of work (see UK/NATS). About employees exploiting holes, it is more than that: it is a common practice (let's say it was before the current problems came out to the public). But in some units, it still happens daily now. Why is that shift ove...

Referring to a previous post about salaries, a few days ago a controller was interview by RTL-TVi. During his interview he complained that he was working too much (amongst other things). Fair enough. But he also mentioned salaries of 6000€, which shows that the figures given earlier were correct fo...

Hi Phoenixx, The “maximum 12 days in a row” rule exists. The issue comes from the interpretation: for Atcos a night means two days of work and for the management one only (with rest day guaranteed). This is the whole issue of that rule and one side is gonna have to make a concession on that one bec...

I would like to add that there's a european regulation applicable end of 2019 - 2020 which will be even more restrictive on rostering, extra hours, consecutive shifts, etc... (2017/373 I think). Most of the other ANSPs already tackled the topic, or took measures, we're far from there. The part you'...

Thanks max, appreciate it. Maybe it's mr. De Cuyper himself, I see quite a few similarities. I don't want to convert users here to our Point of view, just share the other side, and like you say some put their hands over their ears and shout louder. Nice to see most users listening though, being crit...

Dear atco’s, stop arguing that it’s not about money. It is about money. “Better working conditions” is just a cover-up to defend the disruption of service. Luckily someone leaked from those negociations: “we demand 32 hours, no time registration”. Some have asked why CEO Johan Decuyper hasn’t joine...

Maybe I missed something: what's the retirement age for atcos? What I mean is that, if an atco retired at, say, 60, he might still be able to come back part time to help fill the voids. There are many options. Non-ops, training, (non-licensed) unit supervisor, signing up for a longer period and con...

I don't get this seniority thing; "mvg" is right, I think, in pointing out that a good controller doesn't necessarily make a good manager; Whatever your background, management is a different ballgame and needs training. In multinationals you grow in a "triangle" and receive spec...

Phoenixx and SR20, one more question: It appears that last week there was a proposal on the table from the social mediator where management agreed to introduce a 32-hour working week instead of the current 35-hour week. But I heard that the trade unions have rejected this because management only wa...

Has anyone noticed that the Belgian airspace remains open for three consecutive nights. An extra reimbursement for those who are working on Sunday and public holiday (Easter)? I also notice that it is very quiet at the moment with our friends atco's on this forum. Nothing against you personally, bu...

Phoenixx and SR20, one more question: It appears that last week there was a proposal on the table from the social mediator where management agreed to introduce a 32-hour working week instead of the current 35-hour week. But I heard that the trade unions have rejected this because management only wa...

Phoenix will probably complete my answer ;) This explanation is perfect and there is only one small addition I would like to make. Since all 5 the towers had a staff shortage (to a different degree ofcourse), trainees were being sent to all 5 towers simultaneously, and apart from EBLG and EBCI, the...

I can call a doctor tomorrow and say I had diarrhea all night and he can't contest that either. Some "diseases" arent traceable anymore after they are "gone" ... Maybe you don't as it is in your favor. For others the objective point to make there is such a thing as job pride and...

today in De standard there is a more nuanced article where it is not clear that employees are right... And De Standaard is a quality news paper I'm not sure anymore about what Phoenixx is affirming!!!! Are you referring to the article about the German controllers to 'take care of' the ACC for Liège...

Thanks once again mvg & Phoenixx for these constructive inputs. This proves one more time that the medias manipulate people, instead of giving them the correct information. Another point in common here is that the skeyes management seems to be seriously blamed. Or more precisely; the CEO. I thi...