Why is that a problem ?
Nobody in flanders seems to be complaining and politics prefer economic. Everybody happy no ?
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Why is that a problem ?
The CARGO aircraft could use 25R I mean if there is a compromise Brussels will not use the strict noise regulation.Passenger wrote: ↑18 Feb 2017, 22:30And what will be the taxi time for cargo aircraft, from Brucargo to the new Vanhengel 25L? At least 20 minutes. For those who sometimes leave from AMS: when you have to take off from 36L, and when 36C is also in use, you wonder if you are going to ride to destination, or fly.
Is that really common sense? "Dense areas should get less flights then rural areas? If you live in Tervuren or in Wezenbeek-Oppem or in Meise, you should get 10 times more flights over your head then if you would live in Schaarbeek/Schaerbeek or Haren/Haeren?
Of course it makes sense to avoid high populated regio ! Why the hell would we annoy 1 000 000 people if you can divide this number by three ? That's pure senseless ! Next, as I told you, the spreading plan must take into account the real economics benefits for all parties, Bru, Fl. an Wal.
Dear Lumumba,lumumba wrote: ↑18 Feb 2017, 21:45I ask the question directly to you Atlantis what do you think to make from 25L also a take off runway?Atlantis wrote: ↑18 Feb 2017, 21:34Be serious for a min. Belgium is already so crowded that it is never never never possible to build a new big airport. Everywhere you have a lot of people living or some big industries and restrictions. And be sure that on other places they will even demonstrate much more and harder bcs they have the example of Brussels and they will do exactly the same. So what is the solution than??? And as second, the more you move to left, right, up or down, the more you come closer to CDG, AMS, FRA, etc. Don't you think that airlines will not decide to leave BRU and to concentrate on those airports???jan_olieslagers wrote: ↑18 Feb 2017, 18:28
I am aware it can never be easy. But something needs to be done, right now. And think of the awful opportunities for real-estate development at the present BRU site... that would make up for a good deal of the cost.
Don't forget the huge investments they made the last years.
All other airports are even not able to handle the traffic what BRU is handling. Or they are too small or they are hopeless old like OST and ANR. Think about what it will cost.
You want to develop real estate at the the BRU site?? Yeah right, with an already fully congested highways, secondairy roads, etc. My God, that would be even a much more disaster bcs it will even more concentrate people to a certain place.
Let all members please think clearly instead of having a bunch of fetish ideas which is not realistic. Whith moving away the airport, also the airlines will stay away and all multinationals, NATO, HQ, etc
Please.....
Not stretched just new taxiways etc...
Another idea is to do the same without stretching it.Atlantis wrote: ↑19 Feb 2017, 09:23Dear Lumumba,lumumba wrote: ↑18 Feb 2017, 21:45I ask the question directly to you Atlantis what do you think to make from 25L also a take off runway?Atlantis wrote: ↑18 Feb 2017, 21:34
Be serious for a min. Belgium is already so crowded that it is never never never possible to build a new big airport. Everywhere you have a lot of people living or some big industries and restrictions. And be sure that on other places they will even demonstrate much more and harder bcs they have the example of Brussels and they will do exactly the same. So what is the solution than??? And as second, the more you move to left, right, up or down, the more you come closer to CDG, AMS, FRA, etc. Don't you think that airlines will not decide to leave BRU and to concentrate on those airports???
Don't forget the huge investments they made the last years.
All other airports are even not able to handle the traffic what BRU is handling. Or they are too small or they are hopeless old like OST and ANR. Think about what it will cost.
You want to develop real estate at the the BRU site?? Yeah right, with an already fully congested highways, secondairy roads, etc. My God, that would be even a much more disaster bcs it will even more concentrate people to a certain place.
Let all members please think clearly instead of having a bunch of fetish ideas which is not realistic. Whith moving away the airport, also the airlines will stay away and all multinationals, NATO, HQ, etc
Please.....
Not stretched just new taxiways etc...
Stretching runway 25L and a new parallel taxiway next to it is in the plans/proposition of BRU 2040. The proposition is to make it longer with 900 meters to the East.
The purpose of this is to increase the capacity. At this moment we have 74 movements an hour and this mostly concentrated on 25R. But during the morning and afternoon it is not enough anymore.
Stretching 25L is to use both runways for landings and take off at the same time and this to increase the capacity to more than 80 in 2020 and 94 in 2040.
To stretch it is absolutely possible as there is the needed space for.
In the early stage, when we were thinking how to increase the capacity of the terminals and runways, there was even, shortly, an idea to build a whole new fourth runway on the airport. More or less parallel with runway 01/19 but quiet far away from the current facilities. But that short idea was sent to the trash bcs the impact on the environment.
No you can't. It is not a little bit of this and a little bit of that. We have to go for stretching it bcs we are speaking about to double the capacity of the airport. Did people forgot about 2040??lumumba wrote: ↑19 Feb 2017, 10:19Another idea is to do the same without stretching it.Atlantis wrote: ↑19 Feb 2017, 09:23Dear Lumumba,
Stretching runway 25L and a new parallel taxiway next to it is in the plans/proposition of BRU 2040. The proposition is to make it longer with 900 meters to the East.
The purpose of this is to increase the capacity. At this moment we have 74 movements an hour and this mostly concentrated on 25R. But during the morning and afternoon it is not enough anymore.
Stretching 25L is to use both runways for landings and take off at the same time and this to increase the capacity to more than 80 in 2020 and 94 in 2040.
To stretch it is absolutely possible as there is the needed space for.
In the early stage, when we were thinking how to increase the capacity of the terminals and runways, there was even, shortly, an idea to build a whole new fourth runway on the airport. More or less parallel with runway 01/19 but quiet far away from the current facilities. But that short idea was sent to the trash bcs the impact on the environment.
So you don't hurt Erps Kwerps,Kortenberg etc...
That could be the best solution?
Or maybe stretching it but only 400 or 500 meters and keeping the landing point at the same place!
Please Lumumba, take a map with all wind directions! How on earth can the airport stretch the airport runway 25L to the south west???? If they do than they have their runway in Zaventem center and on the Brussels highway.
I think that is what lumumba meant (and wrote).Atlantis wrote: ↑19 Feb 2017, 13:48Please Lumumba, take a map with all wind directions! How on earth can the airport stretch the airport runway 25L to the south west???? If they do than they have their runway in Zaventem center and on the Brussels highway.
BRU only proposed to strech runway 25L to THE EAST!!!
There are two options: to stretch the taxiway along 25L or to stretch 25L with 900 m and also the taxiway
The huge advantage of stretching 25L is that airplanes will be already much higher in the air during take off and creating less noise when they reach villages around.
Dear Atlantis.Atlantis wrote: ↑19 Feb 2017, 13:48Please Lumumba, take a map with all wind directions! How on earth can the airport stretch the airport runway 25L to the south west???? If they do than they have their runway in Zaventem center and on the Brussels highway.
BRU only proposed to strech runway 25L to THE EAST!!!
There are two options: to stretch the taxiway along 25L or to stretch 25L with 900 m and also the taxiway
The huge advantage of stretching 25L is that airplanes will be already much higher in the air during take off and creating less noise when they reach villages around.
Thx that's exactly what I understood I think that will be the solution without stretching.Atlantis wrote: ↑19 Feb 2017, 15:12 New up and off taxiways on 25L/25R are needed to make planes quicker go off that runway to avoid that planes has longer in the air than needed. This has everything to do with increasing the capacity.
On this way you can use both 07L/07R and 25L/25R on the best possible way and this also in combination with 01/19.
When you use the three runways at the same time you can spread the noise on the best possible way.
This is exactly one of the plans that BRU proposed
Jean Marie Dedecker said also not so long ago that all the press is or in Jewish hands or manipulated by them.Fairfax wrote: ↑19 Feb 2017, 17:55 Jean-Marie Dedecker in Knack - in his own special style - but hitting the nail on the head. He suggests, in his last alinea, the the situation will be defused by offering Bxl more money ... a political game after all?
http://www.knack.be/nieuws/belgie/veel- ... 16543.html