Jetairfly in 2015

[Inquirer]

Aha, so they are going to fly in Africa on behalf of another company overthere?
Whereas I can see the importance to their balance sheet, it's not really a project of their own then, or do I get this wrong? In any case, it's good to see Belgian wings spreading a bit further. :thumbup:

[sean1982]

Its bad news for privatair :/ 70% of there operations where tied up in ecair :/

[RoMax]

Its bad news for privatair :/ 70% of there operations where tied up in ecair :/

I believe they already lost KLM and LH contracts some time ago and now also the ECair contract (or at least that of the 737's)...

[Inquirer]

Its bad news for privatair :/ 70% of there operations where tied up in ecair :/

Auwtsch, That's a lot.
It's never very smart to put so many eggs in one basket, especially not if it's not on your own, but that of somebody else. Didn't they recently also lose contracts with KLM and Lufthansa? Not a very good outlook for them, then, or am I exaggerating things?

[sean1982]

They operate one BBJ for LH and one BBJ for SAS.
Future is looking very bleak indeed, which is in a way bad for belgian aviation as a lot of ex-sabena crew is working there since the demise of sabena. I hope that JAF will at least offer them a chance to switch to them

[Sai]

According to our colleagues of Flightlevel.be, Jetairfly will operate two B737-300s en two B737-700s for ECAir, the national airline of Congo-Brazzaville.

So they will expand their fleet with 2 classics generation Boeings? Maybe a stupid question but won't this raise their average fleet age? Thought they always wanted to have the youngest fleet, why not next generation Boeings?

[sean1982]

Because in this case ecair pays for it and classics are way cheaper

[RoMax]

PrivatAir operates two 737-300's and so far one 737-700 with one more to join the fleet (well ok, that's wikipedia information, didn't check it yet with a more reliable source). JAF is said to take two 733's and two 737's...are they taking over the PrivatAir aircraft or is it just because it's specificaly these two versions that EC air wants and will JAF source them from somewhere else?

Anyway, it doesn't make such a big difference for JAF to take Classics in 'their' fleet. They will not operate on the JAF network, no reason why JAF couldn't continue to claim they have by far the youngest fleet in Belgium. And Tec4Jets is still certified for 737 Classic maintenance as far as I know, so no problem there either (EC Air pays for it anyway).

[Inquirer]

Future is looking very bleak indeed, which is in a way bad for belgian aviation as a lot of ex-sabena crew is working there since the demise of sabena. I hope that JAF will at least offer them a chance to switch to them

I have no idea how it works in aviation, but in many sectors, whenever a subcontract changes hands after a public bidding, there are certain provisions in place for the staff willing to switch with the contract.
Of course, that's in Belgium; no idea how it is arranged in international aviation: I suppose there's no firm rule, but wouldn't it be common sense to be looking at hiring experience made redundant at one place, especially when you are having to hire yourself?

Just curious: how long is this contract for, and what made them switch in the first place?
Are they not satisfied with Private Air's services, or was Jetair just cheaper?
If Wikipedia is anything to go by (I suppose not), E.C. Air is facing growing annual losses since they started, so they could be very sensitive for a cheaper third party offer, which in turn doesn't sound too good for those crews willing to take the joboffer from Jetair then, as it will probably mean they will have to give in a lot. How else could they undercut PrivateAir if all they provide is a plane and a crew? Maybe an older plane is indeed also part of the equation.

Good luck to the Private Air crews, Belgian and others.
Sorry for my comment about the good news for belgian aviation then, didn't know better.

[Passenger]

Flights to/from Berlin have been amended from Schönefeld to Tegel.

Reason: it's closer to downtown Berlin.

Source : Antwerp's regional newspaper Gazet Van Antwerpen:
http://www.gva.be/cnt/blsde_01377887/je ... lijn-tegel

[sn26567]

A confirmation of what was already hinted here in 2014 is now in the press.

Jetairfly is currently busy hiring sixty people to operate flights from Congo - Brazzaville, Het Nieuwsblad and Gazet van Antwerpen reported this Wednesday. "It's not a frontal attack against Brussels Airlines," said Hans Vanhaelemeesch, a spokesman for Jetairfly. "We will only operate flights for a Congolese company."

In Brazzaville, Jetairfly will fly for Equatorial Congo Airlines (ECAir), the national carrier of Congo-Brazzaville, which has no license to fly in Europe.

In 2012, Jetairfly had attempted to obtain landing rights at Kinshasa airport, capital of the DRC, but the company came back empty-handed, Brussels Airlines retaining all the rights.

[Passenger]

OO-JAP will leave the fleet in MAR/APR 2015 and will be replaced by an Arke 767.

Arke's 767-300ER PH-AHQ has done her last commercial flight this weekend.

At 14h06, PH-AHQ landed at AMS, coming from Varadero/Cancun.

Exit flight from AMS to the Mojave desert is 05/01/2015 (ETD 09h55).

(Source: Dutch Scramble Messageboard)

[tangolima]

OO-JAP will leave the fleet in MAR/APR 2015 and will be replaced by an Arke 767.

Arke's 767-300ER PH-AHQ has done her last commercial flight this weekend.

At 14h06, PH-AHQ landed at AMS, coming from Varadero/Cancun.

Exit flight from AMS to the Mojave desert is 05/01/2015 (ETD 09h55).

(Source: Dutch Scramble Messageboard)

Hello

Will come to BRU tonight to fly for JAF to ZNZ

Greetings,

[Passenger]

OO-JAP will leave the fleet in MAR/APR 2015 and will be replaced by an Arke 767.

Arke's 767-300ER PH-AHQ has done her last commercial flight this weekend.
At 14h06, PH-AHQ landed at AMS, coming from Varadero/Cancun.
Exit flight from AMS to the Mojave desert is 05/01/2015 (ETD 09h55).
(Source: Dutch Scramble Messageboard)

Hello

Will come to BRU tonight to fly for JAF to ZNZ

Greetings,

Indeed. According to the AMS-forum, two Arke's are coming over to BRU today: their first 787 (PH-TFL) for maintenance and the 767 PH-AHQ indeed for an extra flight (forum quote: "Wat gaat die 767 doen? Toch nog een vluchtje extra?")

STD ex-AMS 1515LT OR55F 788 PHTFL BRU
STD ex-AMS 2005LT JAF133 763 PHAHQ BRU

[tangolima]

Hello

PHTFL is the 2nd 787 of Arke
First one = PHTFK

Greetings,

[Passenger]

PH-TFL is the 2nd 787 of Arke. First one = PHTFK

New update from our Dutch aviation brothers:

"...PH-TFL inderdaad naar de zuiderburen voor onderhoud wat niet voor elkaar komt (kapotte sensoren)... PH-AHQ stroomt in het gat wat de PH-OYI laat vallen omdat de OYI de TFL overneemt, net als morgen trouwens. PH-AHQ wordt woensdag ook nog ingezet..."

PH-TFL is indeed going to Belgium for maintenance that wasn't possible at AMS (broken sensors)

today and tomorrow, PH-AHQ (767) takes over the flights from PH-OYI (767) because that one takes over flights from PH-TFL (787)

PH-AHQ (767) will also do backup flights on Wednesday.

Source:
http://forum.scramble.nl/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=111381

[OO-ITR]

JAF new baseline "Discover your smile" in their campaign reminds me a lot of the baseline that the other Belgian airline is using since a few months...

[sn26567]

Jetairfly to operate ex-AeroMéxico B737-700 for ECAir

Jetairfly has won a wet-lease contract from ECAIR - Equatorial Congo Airlines to operate at least one aircraft on ECAir's behalf, according to Het Nieuwsblad en Gazet van Antwerpen. The first aircraft is likely a B737-700 (msn 33793), initially expected to be operated by PrivatAir (Switzerland) on behalf of ECAir.

The ex-AeroMéxico aircraft has already been cancelled to Belgium in the US aircraft register. PrivatAir currently operates two B737-300s, a B737-700 and two B757-200s on behalf of ECAir. A first PrivatAir B767-300(ER) is scheduled to join ECAir's fleet in February to take over the route from Brazzaville and Pointe Noire to Paris CDG from one of the B757-200s.

Source: ch-aviation

[air belgium]

When is the last OO-JAP flight? (destination, day of arrival) Thanks.

[KriVa]

JAP won't be leaving the fleet for quite some time still, don't worry.