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Re: The one and only topic on which runway in use @EBBR

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Adding "physical" ILS is very expensive, also on the periodical maintenance and calibration. Sure enough a GPS-based instrument approach and landng system is the way to go these days (LVPN or what do they call it? I never get around all those codes and acronyms...) and it might indeed be less expensive than adding concrete - especially as the concrete has to be aviation-certified, too, I sreckon :)

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RNAV is the way to go. And you know what, an RNAV procedure used to exist (I should have quoted EBBU's post in full. Here it is again, now without any omissions :-))
EBBU wrote: 23 Mar 2017, 07:53 The arrival procedure for 07L is an offset VOR/DME, with a last visual part. This is not available after sunset (07L has no approach lights).
There was a RNAV procedure published during the works on RWY 01/19 but it was withdrawn when the works were finished. This RNAV approach is a lot safer but arrivals approach over Brussels so it is not allowed as a normal procedure.
That is why after sunset RWY 07R is used with a straight in VOR/DME. And with a loss in capacity due to bad exit TWYs.
But the real problem is even more costly than an ILS installation....politicians :-) Quoting again EBBU
EBBU wrote: 23 Mar 2017, 09:07
EBBU wrote: ↑Today, 07:53
The arrival procedure for 07L is an offset VOR/DME, with a last visual part. This is not available after sunset (07L has no approach lights).
Is it expensive to install landing lights? And an ILS...
The cost is not the problem. Having those landing aids on that RWY would lead to an increased use of that RWY. Apparently this is politically unacceptable despite the added safety a proper landing aid would provide.

When there is an (north)easterly wind the first choice is RWY 01 for landings because that is equipped with proper landing aids. Only when the wind is (south)easterly and strong enough will 07L/R be used because the windcomponents will exceed the tolerance on RWY 01.

The biggest problem with the exit taxiways on 07R is their angle to the RWY. You basically have to turn back to exit

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Changes are frequent these days: ARR 19 - DEP 25R
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Makes no sense to me why landings are not on 07L this morning, look at the wind direction & strength!
yesterday they used it even with lighter winds from 030 and 040 ! I'm often puzzled at Skeyes decision regarding the runway in use.
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stefanel wrote: 14 May 2019, 10:10 Makes no sense to me why landings are not on 07L this morning, look at the wind direction & strength!
yesterday they used it even with lighter winds from 030 and 040 ! I'm often puzzled at Skeyes decision regarding the runway in use.
Skeyes has to take into account not only the direction and the strength of the wind, but also (and this is more difficult) political decisions!
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Don't I remember that winds below 10 kts are discounted in the decision process?

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Wind aloft is also taken into account for runway selection.
Even though surface wind may be fine, if multiple pilots complain about unfavourable winds higher up, runway configuration can be switched as well.
On top of that, there’s also the capacity to take into account.
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Currently 07L for arrivals, 07R for departures, with thunderstorms in sight...
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This morning's Lufthansa flight from Munich to Brussels approached the airport on runway 25L, but made a go-around to enter the approach sequence for runway 01

Nothing dangerous about this procedure, but a nice sighting on flightradar ;-)
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hI
rwy 07L landings now and O7 R dep
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25 at the moment !
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Hallo
Wind is still N/NW..Its normal 25!! sun will be here around 1 PM!
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ZavCity wrote: 26 Jun 2019, 11:51 Hallo
Wind is still N/NW..Its normal 25!! sun will be here around 1 PM!
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Single runway operations this afternoon at EBBR today.

A2661/19 NOTAMN
Q) EBBU/QMRLC/IV/NBO/A /000/999/5054N00429E005
A) EBBR B) 1908101000 C) 1908102100
E) RWY 01/19 CLSD DUE TO WIP
CREATED: 10 Aug 2019 04:33:00

SOURCE: EUECYIYN A2660/19 NOTAMN
Q) EBBU/QMRLC/IV/NBO/A /000/999/5054N00429E005
A) EBBR B) 1908100900 C) 1908102100
E) RWY 07R/25L CLSD DUE TO WIP
CREATED: 10 Aug 2019 04:32:00
SOURCE: EUECYIYN


EBBR 100510Z 1006/1112 22015G25KT 9999 FEW045 TEMPO 1008/1014 23020G35KT BECMG 1017/1019 23009KT
Wind forecast is 220-230 so no prob with 25R but a busy day for TWR I guess.

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A3470/19
From:08 OCT 19 10:15 Till:08 OCT 19 11:15
Text:RWY 07R/25L CLSD DUE TO WIP

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EBBR limitations today :

A3840/19 NOTAMN
Q) EBBU/QMRLC/IV/NBO/A /000/999/5054N00429E005
A) EBBR B) 1911131230 C) 1911131330
E) RWY 07R/25L CLSD DUE TO WIP
CREATED: 13 Nov 2019 08:26:00
SOURCE: EUECYIYN

A3838/19 NOTAMN
Q) EBBU/QMRLC/IV/NBO/A /000/999/5054N00429E005
A) EBBR B) 1911130705 C) 1911131755
E) RWY 01 CLSD FOR LDG
CREATED: 13 Nov 2019 07:11:00
SOURCE: EUECYIYN

A3837/19 NOTAMN
Q) EBBU/QMRLC/IV/NBO/A /000/999/5054N00429E005
A) EBBR B) 1911130705 C) 1911131755
E) RWY 19 CLSD FOR TKOF
CREATED: 13 Nov 2019 07:10:00
SOURCE: EUECYIYN


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Re: The one and only topic on which runway in use @EBBR

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At BRU, aircraft are currently landing at 07R and taking off from runway 07L. Isn't that unusual? I think it's mostly the opposite (landing at 07L, T/O 07R) because 07R doesn't have taxiway next to the whole runway.

Is there anyone who is more common with this situation?

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Re: The one and only topic on which runway in use @EBBR

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...and the explanation (many times :-) ) can be found in this topic, why after sunset 07L can't be used for landings.

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Sat 23 Nov 2019: ILS calibration = 07/25 closed 13h00-18h00.

Sun 24 Nov 2019: ILS calibration 01/19 closed 12h00-18h00.

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Press release Airportmediation Brussels 17/01/2020: 30 new cards about the runway use at EBBR BRU Brussels Airport:

First in Dutch, then in French:

30 nieuwe informatiefiches op de website van de Ombudsdienst van de Luchthaven

De Federale Ombudsdienst voor de Luchthaven Brussel-Nationaal intensiveert hun politiek betreffende de proactieve communicatie naar de omwonende, gemeenten en milieuverenigingen. Hiervoor werden 30 informatiefiches gepubliceerd op hun website. “Deze didactische fiches maken het mogelijk om meteen het gebruik van de banen op Brussel-Nationaal beter te begrijpen alsook de gebruikte landings- en opstijgingsprocedures, baan per baan en zone per zone” vertelt Philippe Touwaide, Directeur van de Ombudsdienst. Het doel van deze fiches is niet om van elke bewoner een luchtvaartdeskundige te maken, maar om een beter zicht te geven over het gebruik van een Luchthaven en de wijze waarop vluchtoperaties worden uitgevoerd.

Onze missie van informatie moet ook educatief en leerzaam zijn, door de gepubliceerde fiches, en anderen die zullen volgen, willen wij de burgers die ons volgen ter beschikking stellen van alle informatie die zij mogelijk mogen verwachten van een Ombudsman. “Een effectieve Luchtvaart Ombudsman moet anticiperen op problemen, moet aan iedereen de kans geven om de toestand te begrijpen. Het hebben van slechts een antwoordbeleid is niet de oplossing, reactiviteit is niet empathisch of constructief en is een puur defensieve houding”, dit is de visie van Philippe Touwaide sinds 2002.

links to the data - NL:
https://airportmediation.be/nl/informatie_fiche.html

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30 nouvelles fiches d'information sur le site de la Médiation Aéroport

Le Service de Médiation du Gouvernement Fédéral pour l'Aéroport de Bruxelles-National intensifie sa politique de communication proactive auprès des riverains, des communes et des associations de défense de l'environnement, par la publication sur son site internet de 30 nouvelles fiches d'information. "Ces fiches didactiques permettent de comprendre immédiatement l'utilisation des pistes de l'Aéroport ainsi que les procédures d'atterrissage et de décollage utilisées, pistes par pistes et zones par zones" commente Philippe Touwaide, le Directeur du Service de Médiation. Le but de ces fiches n'est pas de transformer chaque riverain en un expert aéronautique, mais de lui permettre de comprendre le fonctionnement d'un aéroport et la manière dont les opérations aériennes sont effectuées.

Notre mission d'information se doit d'être également didactique et instructive, par la publication de ces fiches, et d'autres qui vont suivre, nous voulons mettre à disposition du large public qui nous suit, toutes les informations qu'ils sont en droit d'attendre de la part d'un médiateur. "Un médiateur aérien efficace doit anticiper les questions, doit permettre à tout le monde de comprendre la situation. N'avoir qu'une politique de réponse en réaction n'est pas la solution, la réactivité n'est pas empathique et n'est pas constructive et n'étant qu'une attitude purement défensive", telle est la vision de Philippe Touwaide depuis 2002.

links to the data - FR:
https://airportmediation.be/fr/fiches_infos.html

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