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Passenger wrote: 22 Jan 2020, 20:13
Poiu wrote: 21 Jan 2020, 22:55 It’s not the employers choice, employers are forced to respect the Renault law as soon as they make 30 people redundant in a 60 day period. The Renault law protects the employees and is quite costly for the employer. Only the future will tell us how many, if any, people are made redundant. If SN is not going to make employees redundant there is no need to be afraid of the Renault law. Banning a union from the negotiations would be unnecessary in that case.
You can't give another interpretation to "ontslag/licenciement" then what that is: the employer dismisses an employee - the employer gives them notice that their labour contract ends.

Employees who end their employment for retirement and/or employees who leave voluntary, are not counted. It's even marked as exception in the law.
Dismissal, the situation in which an employer officially makes someone leave their job, is too general as often dismissal is when the employee underperforms or made serious mistakes.
The law Renault is only applicable in case of redundancy, the state of being no longer in employment because there is no more work available.
The non continuation of temporary contracts and contractors needs to be INCLUDED in the redundancy numbers on condition the concerned employee has been working in the company for at least one year. (As far as I understand this is one of the disagreements between the union and management)
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rwandan-flyer wrote: 22 Jan 2020, 20:44
I think the survival of SN and attracting enough customers to make them survive relies on two types of customers:
First, the economy travellers, where profitability is achieved by numbers: not making a lot of money on a single ticket, but all together they cover the costs. There, I don't see a problem in dropping the newspaper: most of these travellers compare SN to the "real" LCC, and decide easily on price.
Second, there's the business traveller, the SN-addicts, the people seeing the journey as the experience. For them, the service matters, and they're willing to pay for it. To those travellers, the offer of a free paper newspaper can be a part of the experience they want. This is not the majority of the travellers, but the premium the pay per ticket can make it profitable for SN. As I see it: investing in the extra service so SN can ask a higher price should not be neglected.
In France some majors newspapers are not longer available in paper version. Only on Digital version:

France Soir and La Tribune.
France soir disappeared well before the digital newspaper became popular in 2006 and went up and down till 2012.
It reappeared in 2016 has a digital newspaper but this us not a good example.

La Tribune is still on paper once a week and has the same problem,it was already a newspaper that was in financial trouble since the 90s.

No healthy newspaper is going only digital!!!
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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Just wondering: does all that "no printed newspaper onboard? What a stupid airline!" theory also applies for Finnair and for KLM, who have abondonned printed newspapers long before Brussels Airlines? Or is it a clever decision from Finnair and KLM, and a stupid decision from Brussels Airlines?

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Passenger wrote: 22 Jan 2020, 21:50 Just wondering: does all that "no printed newspaper onboard? What a stupid airline!" theory also applies for Finnair and for KLM, who have abondonned printed newspapers long before Brussels Airlines? Or is it a clever decision from Finnair and KLM, and a stupid decision from Brussels Airlines?
Don't forget KLM and Finnair has WiFi in there flight's Brussels Airlines not!!!
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Count Etienne Davignon (87), co-Chairman of the Board of Brussels airlines, will remain a Director at the next General Assembly in April or May, but will hand over the co-chairmanship to Jan Smets, former governor of the National Bank of Belgium. The other co-Chairmanship could go to Christina Foerster.

https://www.lalibre.be/economie/entrepr ... 7c2195f833
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sn26567 wrote: 23 Jan 2020, 15:36 Count Etienne Davignon (87), co-Chairman of the Board of Brussels airlines, will remain a Director at the next General Assembly in April or May, but will hand over the co-chairmanship to Jan Smets, former governor of the National Bank of Belgium. The other co-Chairmanship could go to Christina Foerster.
The 10%+ cost cutting clearly won’t be applicable to the board then, reminds me of another Belgian airline, twenty years ago, where the board was trying to force pilots to accept an important salary cut whilst, at the same time, the board paid themselves a nice bonus in a fiscal paradise...

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FWIW, it has been numerously reported in the past that boardmembers take no remuneration whatsoever... :roll:

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Inquirer wrote: 23 Jan 2020, 17:21 FWIW, it has been numerously reported in the past that boardmembers take no remuneration whatsoever... :roll:
That is completely new to me, do you have a reference?
I know several members of different boards and not a single one is doing it for free, quite the opposite!
As an example: 20 years ago Mr D was paid 150000€ as member of the board of a Belgian bank.

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The annual report of SN Airholding shows indeed 0 euro for the board members (and 4,072 euros for the commissioners). But I'm sure 'passenger' can enlighten us on those figures.
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Inquirer wrote: 23 Jan 2020, 17:21 FWIW, it has been numerously reported in the past that boardmembers take no remuneration whatsoever... :roll:
It's different for each company ( wether airlines or others). Normally, the remuneration, if any, of the Board Members, is inscribed in the Company By-laws and/or decided by the General Assembly of the Shareholders.

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Poiu wrote: 23 Jan 2020, 18:49
Inquirer wrote: 23 Jan 2020, 17:21 FWIW, it has been numerously reported in the past that boardmembers take no remuneration whatsoever... :roll:
That is completely new to me, do you have a reference?
I know several members of different boards and not a single one is doing it for free, quite the opposite!
SN26567 meanwhile provided you with credible reference material in support, I suppose?

SN's boardmembership clearly doesn't come with a remuneration, yet despite this it seems they have no problem getting the people they want to sit in it. I suppose it's seen as an honour to be part of it, given the legacy it carries and the people you share the table with…?

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sn26567 wrote: 23 Jan 2020, 19:20 The annual report of SN Airholding shows indeed 0 euro for the board members (and 4,072 euros for the commissioners). But I'm sure 'passenger' can enlighten us on those figures.
Haven't checked this for SN Airholding nv/sa yet, but for Brussels Airlines nv/sa, computer says no (onbezoldigd / ne pas rémunéré):
FR:
http://www.ejustice.just.fgov.be/tsv_pd ... 108672.pdf
NL:
http://www.ejustice.just.fgov.be/tsv_pd ... 108671.pdf

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https://www.tijd.be/ondernemen/luchtvaa ... 81226.html
‘Als alles maar schijn is en alles beslist is voor we vergaderen, dan blijven we niet langer. We zijn daar vrij in. Toen we begonnen bij Brussels Airlines, was er geen geld en dus beslisten we dat de bestuurders niet betaald zouden worden. Dat is nooit veranderd. We zitten in de raad zonder vergoeding en dat maakt ons intellectueel totaal vrij.
"We're in the board without remuneration..."

Etienne Davignon, two years ago.

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Now that Brussels Airlines is going to become a normal airline, will it give as many miles as the others?
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lumumba wrote: 31 Jan 2020, 14:24 Now that Brussels Airlines is going to become a normal airline, will it give as many miles as the others?
Stop your nonsense, Lumumba. Brussels Airlines has allways been a normal airline.

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lumumba wrote: 31 Jan 2020, 14:24 Now that Brussels Airlines is going to become a normal airline, will it give as many miles as the others?
lumumba wrote: 31 Jan 2020, 14:24 Now that Brussels Airlines is going to become a normal airline, will it give as many miles as the others?
are you serious? how not normal was Brussels Airlines according to you ?
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Also, please define "normal"?

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CTBke wrote: 31 Jan 2020, 16:51
lumumba wrote: 31 Jan 2020, 14:24 Now that Brussels Airlines is going to become a normal airline, will it give as many miles as the others?
lumumba wrote: 31 Jan 2020, 14:24 Now that Brussels Airlines is going to become a normal airline, will it give as many miles as the others?
are you serious? how not normal was Brussels Airlines according to you ?
I apologise for the misunderstanding I meant home carrier not linked to Eurowings(low cost)anymore.
Because till now you receive x6 miles with Brussels Airlines instead of x7 with the other home carriers.
Will they change that?
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Nope, Brussels Airlines isn't a normal airline... it's a great airline! :) :) :)

Have a nice weekend, and take life with a smile!

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Two disappointing reports on long-haul trips onboard Brussels Airlines A330s, one in Economy and the other in Premium Economy. It seems that Economy really means savings on everything: quality of service, IFE, amenities and quality of food and drinks. Reboot?

SN should take better care of the travel class in which the majority of passengers are flying. There may be nice reports about the business class, but that concerns only some happy few.

BRU-ROB in Economy: https://thepointsguy.co.uk/reviews/brus ... -monrovia/
JFK-BRU in Premium Economy: https://thepointsguy.co.uk/reviews/brus ... nomy-a330/
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