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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by sn26567 » 16 Jan 2020, 18:47

What about elderly (or other) people who are not connected?
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by DannyVDB » 16 Jan 2020, 20:20

lumumba wrote:
16 Jan 2020, 10:19
No newspaper anymore on long haul flights in Business with Brussels airlines.
I find this completely outrageous and unacceptable!!!!

With Lufthansa you can download your newspaper but you still have your papers on the plane in fact I never traveled on long haul in Business with an airline not offering newspapers!!!
You can take one in the lounge, no?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by lumumba » 16 Jan 2020, 22:47

Passenger wrote:
16 Jan 2020, 11:23
convair wrote:
16 Jan 2020, 10:40
lumumba wrote:
16 Jan 2020, 10:19
No newspaper anymore on long haul flights in Business with Brussels airlines.
I find this completely outrageous and unacceptable!!!!

With Lufthansa you can download your newspaper but you still have your papers on the plane in fact I never traveled on long haul in Business with an airline not offering newspapers!!!
If confirmed, it's a ridiculous decision! :shock:
B.llshit lumumba (as usual when you post something about Brussels Airlines).
IF you fly Brussels Airlines in Business Class, you get a free login to an online newspaper.

See article from the homepage, 29th October 2019:
Brussels Airlines replaces printed newspapers with e-newspapers

Digital alternatives are replacing paper across the travel journey at Brussels Airlines. 52% of the airline’s guests already exchanged the paper boarding pass for a smartphone version. Now, the Belgian company wants to bring the digitalisation on board by replacing its newspapers by digital copies. The removal of printed newspapers on its 250 flights per day avoids 115 tons of transported weight per year, decreasing fuel consumption and thus CO2 emissions.

As from 27 October 2019, Brussels Airlines will remove all printed newspapers from its flights. Instead, guests in all travel classes receive a subscription to the digital newspaper of their choice. The switch to digital newspapers only is a logical choice, as the airline wants to meet today’s digital standards as well as reduce its ecological footprint. The removal of the printed newspapers on its 250 daily flights decreases the weight of the aircraft and hence its fuel consumption, leading to 35 tonnes of CO2 reductions.

The digital news offer contains the following newspapers and magazines: Het Laatste Nieuws, De Tijd, Algemeen Dagblad, De Volkskrant, Het Parool, Trouw, Le Soir, L’Echo, La Capitale, La Meuse, La Gazette, La Province, Nord Eclair.

Not only on board, but also before the flight digital possibilities replace paper during the travel process. In 2018, 52% of all Brussels Airlines passengers used their smartphone to board their flight and the numbers continue to rise. As the airline continuously renews itself to be part of this digitalised world, it has now launched a new version of its mobile app, including an easy boarding pass access that stores your boarding pass for you even if you had not checked in via the app. Find out more about the new app on brusselsairlines.com

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... ewspapers/
It's true it happens to me this morning and it was confirmed by the crew.
I only read paper not electronic papers but ok it seems the problem is only with me.
By the way Passengers I don't need your aggressive reaction and sure when I'm right learn to read what I write.
I sais NEWSPAPER not e-newspapers....I hope I'm clear enough for you and this with insults!!!!
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Hasta la victoria siempre.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by lumumba » 16 Jan 2020, 22:50

DannyVDB wrote:
16 Jan 2020, 20:20
lumumba wrote:
16 Jan 2020, 10:19
No newspaper anymore on long haul flights in Business with Brussels airlines.
I find this completely outrageous and unacceptable!!!!

With Lufthansa you can download your newspaper but you still have your papers on the plane in fact I never traveled on long haul in Business with an airline not offering newspapers!!!
You can take one in the lounge, no?
Sure but I don't take all of them next time I will do that but it's less easy for the same result.
And when you depart from abroad there are no papers.(for example from all the African destinations and these are important in the Brussels airlines network isn't it!)
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by Ansett » 20 Jan 2020, 22:33

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... boot-plan/

No reaction from not one single member on this forum. Strange. Well, perhaps not, because most do not like unions anyway. Well, I do not like employers who act like dictators :

"ACV/CNE has realised that its name had been withdrawn from the CLA (collective labour agreement) with the pilots, although the union had duly signed this agreement."
"ACV/CNE wants social dialogue to be resumed immediately without preliminary conditions.
Brussels Airlines management replies that nobody was excluded from the discussions. ACV/CNE excluded itself by disagreeing with the voluntary departures plan and requiring a collective lay-off plan. The airline pursues constructive discussions with the two unions which accept the Reboot plan."

This is communist rethoric from management. If you do not agree with us, you have no place here.
Only those who agree and will sign on to our plans are welcome". No discussions, no negotiations. No criticism allowed.

The problem is that all parties involved know that if there is a strike, it will mean the beginning of the end of SN (which is perhaps what LH is after). Altough if only administrative ground staff is focused on, one could consider to be understanding. Really ? Who's going to be next :
1. to be asked to leave voluntarily ;
2. to be excluded from meeting management ?

The link above refers to ground staff only. Does anybody know if flight crews are also targeted by the Reboot Plan ? What about other categories of employees on SN's pay roll ?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by b720 » 20 Jan 2020, 22:57

lumumba wrote:
16 Jan 2020, 10:19
No newspaper anymore on long haul flights in Business with Brussels airlines.
I find this completely outrageous and unacceptable!!!!

With Lufthansa you can download your newspaper but you still have your papers on the plane in fact I never traveled on long haul in Business with an airline not offering newspapers!!!
Error after error..seriously downgraded catering for C class within Europe, then no free F&B for flex ..cutting products in the lounge..
Now no newspapers..
They are cutting from premium passengers. A big mistake imho.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by Ansett » 20 Jan 2020, 23:09

I agree. Downgrading service to pax will mean savings in the short term and less pax (= less revenue) in the medium and long term. I'm not sure anymore, but wasn't this also imposed by SR on Sabena ?
I recently flew in Flex&Fast and I can tell you that when the cc came with the trolley through the Flex&Fast rows, the mood was grim.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by sn26567 » 20 Jan 2020, 23:55

Ansett wrote:
20 Jan 2020, 22:33
Does anybody know if flight crews are also targeted by the Reboot Plan? What about other categories of employees on SN's payroll?
During the presentation of the Reboot plan to the press, Christina Foerster and Dieter Vranckx said that initially there would be minimal changes in the fleet. Only during Summer 2020 would the number of flights be adjusted to demand. Even so, there would be little impact on the flight crews.
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by Poiu » 20 Jan 2020, 23:58

Ansett wrote:
20 Jan 2020, 23:09
I recently flew in Flex&Fast and I can tell you that when the cc came with the trolley through the Flex&Fast rows, the mood was grim.
I just got an email with an invitation to bid for an upgrade from Light to Flex, when I clicked on the link I was shown a picture of a flight attendant serving food and beverage to a passenger... Ridiculous!
100€ for fast lane security and a seat on row 5 instead of row 6, a rip-off!
Quo vadis Brussels Airlines?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by Jetter » 21 Jan 2020, 02:26

Ansett wrote:
20 Jan 2020, 22:33
"ACV/CNE has realised that its name had been withdrawn from the CLA (collective labour agreement) with the pilots, although the union had duly signed this agreement."
"ACV/CNE wants social dialogue to be resumed immediately without preliminary conditions.
Brussels Airlines management replies that nobody was excluded from the discussions. ACV/CNE excluded itself by disagreeing with the voluntary departures plan and requiring a collective lay-off plan. The airline pursues constructive discussions with the two unions which accept the Reboot plan."

This is communist rethoric from management. If you do not agree with us, you have no place here.
Only those who agree and will sign on to our plans are welcome". No discussions, no negotiations. No criticism allowed.
ACV's demands are ridiculous, and it's good they have been dismissed. We've seen enough tjeverij from them already. What they're basically saying is that not hiring new staff equals collective layoffs, it's preposterous! They made themselves irrelevant with such an extremist stance.

The tsjeven should put their effort in repaying Arcopar victims instead of trying to run another airline into the ground. Never forget that they were calling for strikes even at the moment SN went under!

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by Poiu » 21 Jan 2020, 07:43

Jetter wrote:
21 Jan 2020, 02:26
What they're basically saying is that not hiring new staff equals collective layoffs, it's preposterous! They made themselves irrelevant with such an extremist stance
Not correct, what they are actually saying is: deciding to lay off 50 people, every month during 20 consecutive months should be considered as laying off 1000 people and the relevant laws should be taken into account.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by Jetter » 21 Jan 2020, 09:27

Poiu wrote:
21 Jan 2020, 07:43
Jetter wrote:
21 Jan 2020, 02:26
What they're basically saying is that not hiring new staff equals collective layoffs, it's preposterous! They made themselves irrelevant with such an extremist stance
Not correct, what they are actually saying is: deciding to lay off 50 people, every month during 20 consecutive months should be considered as laying off 1000 people and the relevant laws should be taken into account.
How many people are getting fired? :?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by Poiu » 21 Jan 2020, 09:41

Jetter wrote:
21 Jan 2020, 09:27
How many people are getting fired? :?
The law Renault is applicable as soon as 30 people are made redundant (not fired) in any 60 day period.
As for the total, that is still inside knowledge for the moment, but if you want to reduce costs by 10% or more it could be a significant number.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by Passenger » 21 Jan 2020, 10:09

Poiu wrote:
21 Jan 2020, 09:41
Jetter wrote:
21 Jan 2020, 09:27
How many people are getting fired? :?
The law Renault is applicable as soon as 30 people are made redundant (not fired) in any 60 day period.
Nope. De Wet/Loi Renault is not "when 30 people are made reduntant". The Wet Renault / Loi Renault is "when the employer wants to activate collectief ontslag / licenciement collectif" (collective dismissal). It seems that no one will be fired, dismissed, sent away.

Let's put things straight. The ACV/CSC demands "Wet Renualt / Loi Renault" for 3 reasons:

1. When the Wet Renault applies, the Ondernemingsraad / Conseil d'Enterprise is activated, giving the trade unions a lot of power and participation in the company's management that they otherwise don't have.

2. When the Wet Renault applies, those leaving the company will benefit a dismissal fee (for 4 months, and the amount apparently is the difference between their reference salary and their unemployment perspective (even when they find a job elsewehere)).

3. Spierballengerol. With the social elections in May 2020, calling for Wet Renault / Loi Renault" is an excellent opportunity for candidates to show their electorate "hey, look how I defend your rights. Thus vote for me please".

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by Jetter » 21 Jan 2020, 10:54

Poiu wrote:
21 Jan 2020, 09:41
Jetter wrote:
21 Jan 2020, 09:27
How many people are getting fired? :?
The law Renault is applicable as soon as 30 people are made redundant (not fired) in any 60 day period.
As for the total, that is still inside knowledge for the moment, but if you want to reduce costs by 10% or more it could be a significant number.
Let's see what ACV says about that: https://www.hetacv.be/mijn-loopbaan/wer ... ef-ontslag Even the ACV communication department can't agree with their extremist delegates at Brussels Airlines. :lol:

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by A321Lufthansa » 21 Jan 2020, 12:58

Looks like SmurfJet is over?
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by Airbus330lover » 21 Jan 2020, 13:08

She fly LHR-BRU for the moment

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by lucas » 21 Jan 2020, 13:30

A321Lufthansa wrote:
21 Jan 2020, 12:58
Looks like SmurfJet is over?
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Wasn't Rackham leaving the fleet as first one?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by TLspotting » 21 Jan 2020, 15:29

A321Lufthansa wrote:
21 Jan 2020, 12:58
Looks like SmurfJet is over?
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It can be maintenance... The livery is to stay until 2023 according to SN's website.
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