Air Belgium in 2020

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Re: Air Belgium in 2020

Post by Passenger » 11 Jan 2020, 10:42

737MAX wrote:
11 Jan 2020, 09:37
Yep. For a 2 year old airline, they seem to be on a good track.
The company has been established on 17/02/2016. So next month is their 4th birthday. Their AOC is 2 years old indeed.
737MAX wrote:
11 Jan 2020, 09:37
And "Passenger" is luckily not their CEO :lol:
If more people would prevail facts and figures above sentiments, we wouldn't have to read wishfull thinking stuff like "they are financially stable now".

Repeat: fact: reported loss FY2018 was €18,3M (overgedragen verlies / perte à effecter). Fact: on 20/12/2019, they needed another €1,25M cash injection. Maybe incoming payments (LOT, BA, Surinam Airways, Safrans du Monde, ...) were delayed/overdue? But then, direct passenger bookings for holiday flights are paid well in advance.

(edited: typo)
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Re: Air Belgium in 2020

Post by Desert Rat » 11 Jan 2020, 12:32

I think your comments are ethnically driven not rationally driven...
In other words, you are the same kind of people I met for 13 years in BRU....
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Re: Air Belgium in 2020

Post by jan_olieslagers » 11 Jan 2020, 12:47

[ sarcasm ] Yes, one must be born in a special raciality, to prefer facts and figures over opinions and daydreams. Of course.[ / sarcasm ]

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Re: Air Belgium in 2020

Post by Desert Rat » 11 Jan 2020, 13:25

Fact and figures from a yearly reporting sheet, does not reflect on going business...my dear uber mensen!

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Re: Air Belgium in 2020

Post by Atlantis » 11 Jan 2020, 20:00

Desert Rat wrote:
11 Jan 2020, 13:25
Fact and figures from a yearly reporting sheet, does not reflect on going business...my dear uber mensen!
Nevertheless, it is very good to have members like Passenger on board. He is from the industry already many years. He has a huge knowledge about many issues in travel industry and in aviation, especially in legal.

In case of, we always can use his advice sooner or later.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2020

Post by JOVAN » 11 Jan 2020, 22:10

jan_olieslagers wrote:
11 Jan 2020, 12:47
[ sarcasm ] Yes, one must be born in a special raciality, to prefer facts and figures over opinions and daydreams. Of course.[ / sarcasm ]
You would be surprised how false facts and how false figures can be.
We live in the most Greedy Period in human history.

Apart from this I wish Air Belgium all the best.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2020

Post by jan_olieslagers » 11 Jan 2020, 22:23

Negative. 5000 € is 5000 € and 273K is 273K. If you perhaps meant the way facts and figures are presented by certain media, then I totally share your scepticism. Finding the facts is one thing, knowing how to interpret them is quite another.

Reading a balance sheet is not an easy matter, for just one example, the more so that this is one if many documents defined by law, and the law varies from country to country. Having worked for accountants, I have some basic notions of the balance sheet as it is in Belgium, but I won't even begin reading one from any other country, for lack of interpretation skills.

As for "the most greedy period in human history": again I lack the qualification to compare, but it would seem to me some emperors of Rome were quite quite greedy too. And, err, does it really matter? The one worrying factor is, in my observation, the current obsession with short term profits and the total disregard of long-term stability. After so many years, we can still thank Mrs. Thatcher for that.

Apologies for straying off-topic: I too hope all the best for all aviators and aviation enterprises.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2020

Post by Ansett » 11 Jan 2020, 22:42

jan_olieslagers wrote:
11 Jan 2020, 22:23
As for "the most greedy period in human history": again I lack the qualification to compare, but it would seem to me some emperors of Rome were quite quite greedy too. And, err, does it really matter? The one worrying factor is, in my observation, the current obsession with short term profits and the total disregard of long-term stability. After so many years, we can still thank Mrs. Thatcher for that.

Apologies for straying off-topic: I too hope all the best for all aviators and aviation enterprises.
I agree. (Off topic). Mrs Thatcher and the Brits made a big mess in many area on the Continent and now they are brexiting, leaving us with their mess.

Back on topic (I hope). AB may not be, yet, a stable airline (too young), but it is more stable than it used to be and its management has learned the lessons of their mistakes and are trying their best (imho) to secure the best possible future for the airline by operating ACMIs (which should not entail much financial risk) and launching new routes (with more financial risks). It's a good balance. I hope they will soon be able to open new (profitable) routes of their own (instead of ACMIs).

As another member mentioned it, Mauritius and La Réunion would be worthwhile considering. Tickets to these destinations remain expensive (so, good yield, even if there is a bit more competition). And an agreement with one or more tour operators especially for MRU would help, of course.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2020

Post by Passenger » 15 Jan 2020, 13:23

Strange: ABB has two flights for LOT Chicago-Warsaw today: LO4 (OO-ABE) and LO4A (OO-ABA).

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Re: Air Belgium in 2020

Post by TLspotting » 15 Jan 2020, 13:25

Passenger wrote:
15 Jan 2020, 13:23
Strange: ABB has two flights for LOT Chicago-Warsaw today: LO4 (OO-ABE) and LO4A (OO-ABA).
Yes the LO4A is probably for stranded passengers at ORD on Monday evening, supposed to be in Poland yesterday.
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Re: Air Belgium in 2020

Post by TLspotting » 18 Jan 2020, 09:44

Air Belgium to fly for Corsair on 20, 27 & 30 January out of Paris Orly to Abidjan !

SS984 ORY - ABJ 16:10 - 21:40 A343 1------ 20/01/2020 - 27/01/2020

SS985 ABJ - ORY 23:55 - 07:30 A343 1------ 20/01/2020 - 27/01/2020

SS984 ORY - ABJ 16:10 - 21:40 A343 30/01/2020
SS985 ABJ - ORY 23:55 - 07:30 A343 30/01/2020
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Re: Air Belgium in 2020

Post by TLspotting » 19 Jan 2020, 15:47

Air Belgium should announce in a few weeks that the Antilles route is going to become 2 distinct routes during winter 2020-2021, and is going to open booking for that period.

(Source : comment replies on their Facebook page)
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Re: Air Belgium in 2020

Post by Passenger » 20 Jan 2020, 08:55

If Flightradar24.com and Planefinder.net have correct info, OO-ABA is AOG at Chicago ORD since Saturday evening.

That would make 3 times AOG (+24 hours) for OO-ABA in two weeks: 8th January, 13th January and 18th January. Each time for LOT LO-04 Chicago-Warsaw. Unless these flights were/are XXX = not scheduled of course.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/oo-aba

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Re: Air Belgium in 2020

Post by Passenger » 20 Jan 2020, 09:47

Passenger wrote:
20 Jan 2020, 08:55
If Flightradar24.com and Planefinder.net have correct info, OO-ABA is AOG at Chicago ORD since Saturday evening.

That would make 3 times AOG (+24 hours) for OO-ABA in two weeks: 8th January, 13th January and 18th January. Each time for LOT LO-04 Chicago-Warsaw. Unless these flights were/are XXX = not scheduled of course.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/oo-aba
... and just airborne out of Chicago:
https://www.flightradar24.com/LOT9002/23957684

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Re: Air Belgium in 2020

Post by Passenger » 20 Jan 2020, 12:23

Desert Rat wrote:
20 Jan 2020, 12:06
Passenger wrote:
20 Jan 2020, 08:55
If Flightradar24.com and Planefinder.net have correct info, OO-ABA is AOG at Chicago ORD since Saturday evening.

That would make 3 times AOG (+24 hours) for OO-ABA in two weeks: 8th January, 13th January and 18th January. Each time for LOT LO-04 Chicago-Warsaw. Unless these flights were/are XXX = not scheduled of course.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/oo-aba
A little hard-on ?
Nope. Just factual and short. And very soft, compared to the bullshit that is written here whenever Brussels Airlines has an AOG.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2020

Post by Ansett » 20 Jan 2020, 23:02

TLspotting wrote:
19 Jan 2020, 15:47
Air Belgium should announce in a few weeks that the Antilles route is going to become 2 distinct routes during winter 2020-2021, and is going to open booking for that period.

(Source : comment replies on their Facebook page)
That's very good news ! It would mean that current bookings for the triangular flights are very good.

Too bad that AB does not have the means to acquire a few SA A340s
https://simpleflying.com/saa-a340-sale/
These birds are not young anymore and consume a lot of kerosene, but they could perhaps be had for a very good price, enabling AB to expand (slowly) and one day, have a more modern fleet.

After Guadeloupe and Martinique, I could see a market for AB to La Réunion, another French Overseas Department (DOM) where, according to Air-Journal, the monthly progression of 8.5 % on lines between Mainland France (métropole) and La Réunion.
https://www.air-journal.fr/2020-01-20-l ... 17698.html

(Passenger, remember this is no a scientific forum, it's brainstorming and/or being allowed to express one's own thoughts)
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Re: Air Belgium in 2020

Post by TLspotting » 20 Jan 2020, 23:06

Passenger wrote:
20 Jan 2020, 09:47
Passenger wrote:
20 Jan 2020, 08:55
If Flightradar24.com and Planefinder.net have correct info, OO-ABA is AOG at Chicago ORD since Saturday evening.

That would make 3 times AOG (+24 hours) for OO-ABA in two weeks: 8th January, 13th January and 18th January. Each time for LOT LO-04 Chicago-Warsaw. Unless these flights were/are XXX = not scheduled of course.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/oo-aba
... and just airborne out of Chicago:
https://www.flightradar24.com/LOT9002/23957684
I thought last week that ABA has been expected at Charleroi, but ABE went there.

Many delays and cancelations on this aircraft, should it not go to CRL for a few checks? End January is not that far anyway.
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Re: Air Belgium in 2020

Post by Passenger » 31 Jan 2020, 22:50

OO-ABE has just left New York after two days AOG at JFK, causing the cancellation of LO-27 on Wednesday.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2020

Post by TLspotting » 01 Feb 2020, 13:47

Normally an A340 should be back soon at Charleroi.
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Re: Air Belgium in 2020

Post by TLspotting » 02 Feb 2020, 09:58

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