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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2020

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Today, all Amsterdam Schiphol based TUI fly Belgium aircraft returned to Brussels for storage:
20MAR20 TFL0459 OOJEF AMS
23MAR20 JAF8242 OOSRO AMS
23MAR20 TFL073F OOJAX AMS
23MAR20 TFL075F OOJAQ AMS
23MAR20 TFL077F OOTUP AMS
23MAR20 TFL079F OOTNC AMS

All regional based TUI fly Belgium aircraft returned to Brussels for storage:
21MAR20 JAF103F OOJVA OST
21MAR20 JAF102F OOJEM ANR
23MAR20 JAF142F OOJAA CRL
23MAR20 JAF144F OOJLO LGG
23MAR20 JAF0108 OOTNB OST

TUI fly Belgium leased-out aircraft are returning to Brussels for storage:
23MAR20 JAF016F LAN-BRU 1130-0115 OOJAU
23MAR20 JAF017F MKE-BRU 1200-0205 OOJAY
23MAR20 JAF018F RFD-BRU 1130-0150 OOTUV

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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2020

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UJspotting wrote:
23 Mar 2020, 18:36
Today, all Amsterdam Schiphol based TUI fly Belgium aircraft returned to Brussels for storage:
20MAR20 TFL0459 OOJEF AMS
23MAR20 JAF8242 OOSRO AMS
23MAR20 TFL073F OOJAX AMS
23MAR20 TFL075F OOJAQ AMS
23MAR20 TFL077F OOTUP AMS
23MAR20 TFL079F OOTNC AMS

All regional based TUI fly Belgium aircraft returned to Brussels for storage:
21MAR20 JAF103F OOJVA OST
21MAR20 JAF102F OOJEM ANR
23MAR20 JAF142F OOJAA CRL
23MAR20 JAF144F OOJLO LGG
23MAR20 JAF0108 OOTNB OST

TUI fly Belgium leased-out aircraft are returning to Brussels for storage:
23MAR20 JAF016F LAN-BRU 1130-0115 OOJAU
23MAR20 JAF017F MKE-BRU 1200-0205 OOJAY
23MAR20 JAF018F RFD-BRU 1130-0150 OOTUV
Joining the four Boeing 737 MAX that have been stored for one year now....
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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2020

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OO-TNB has also returned today from OST to BRU for storage.

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TB today operates repatriation flight to Cabo Verde Islands (outbound JAF882F OO-TUP BRU-SID)
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TUI Belgium received all its 737s leased to Miami Air a couple of weekdays ago. Miami Air goed bankrupt so they get the planes return to Brussels. Very sad that Miami go bankrupt and more planes for TUI May not be goed because of coronavirus less demand.

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Welcome to Aviation24.be, flight3333!
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flight3333 wrote:
30 Mar 2020, 22:50
TUI Belgium received all its 737s leased to Miami Air a couple of weekdays ago. Miami Air goed bankrupt so they get the planes return to Brussels. Very sad that Miami go bankrupt and more planes for TUI May not be goed because of coronavirus less demand.

All regs available = https://bit.ly/33VI2oY
No, TUI got the planes back in BRU after the production in the US ended due to Covid19.
Miami Air filed for bankruptcy protection, they haven’t gone bust yet AFAIK.

And last but not least, all the wet-leases were planned to come back around April anyway.

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Hi
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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2020

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737MAX wrote:
31 Mar 2020, 09:39
flight3333 wrote:
30 Mar 2020, 22:50
TUI Belgium received all its 737s leased to Miami Air a couple of weekdays ago. Miami Air goed bankrupt so they get the planes return to Brussels. Very sad that Miami go bankrupt and more planes for TUI May not be goed because of coronavirus less demand.

All regs available = https://bit.ly/33VI2oY
No, TUI got the planes back in BRU after the production in the US ended due to Covid19.
Miami Air filed for bankruptcy protection, they haven’t gone bust yet AFAIK.

And last but not least, all the wet-leases were planned to come back around April anyway.
Yes sry my English not perfect - that what I meant, thank u very much 🙏

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Due to COVID-19, I think that 737-7s will leave the fleet. Is there anything at TUI about ?
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TLspotting wrote:
31 Mar 2020, 14:23
Due to COVID-19, I think that 737-7s will leave the fleet. Is there anything at TUI about ?
That’s the case since a long time, but things changed with the MAX grounding.

It’s too early to talk about fleet plans when nobody knows what’s going to happen in the coming months.

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Boeing 787-8 OO-LOE is operating a repatriation flight (JAF831F) to Paramaribo, Suriname.
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sn26567 wrote:
02 Apr 2020, 17:31
Boeing 787-8 OO-LOE is operating a repatriation flight (JAF831F) to Paramaribo, Suriname.
Currently another TUI 787 OO-JDL on her way to PBM as JAF831F for a repatriation flight.

By the way, I didn't see OO-LOE come back from Suriname. Is she still there? I heard rumours that she is AOG...
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sn26567 wrote:
05 Apr 2020, 11:20
sn26567 wrote:
02 Apr 2020, 17:31
Boeing 787-8 OO-LOE is operating a repatriation flight (JAF831F) to Paramaribo, Suriname.
Currently another TUI 787 OO-JDL on her way to PBM as JAF831F for a repatriation flight.

By the way, I didn't see OO-LOE come back from Suriname. Is she still there? I heard rumours that she is AOG...
Passenger told so in our COVID-19 topic ;)
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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2020

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TUI AG gets a 1.8 billion euros bridging loan from the German government through state bank KfW, in addition to the existing line of credit of 1.75 billion euros.

Contrarily to what some of our readers think, the loan is for the whole TUI Group, thus also available for the Belgian subsidiary.

https://www.aviation24.be/tour-operator ... ion-euros/
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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2020

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sn26567 wrote:
09 Apr 2020, 16:49


Contrarily to what some of our readers think, the loan is for the whole TUI Group, thus also available for the Belgian subsidiary.

;)

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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2020

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sn26567 wrote:
09 Apr 2020, 16:49
TUI AG gets a 1.8 billion euros bridging loan from the German government through state bank KfW, in addition to the existing line of credit of 1.75 billion euros.

Contrarily to what some of our readers think, the loan is for the whole TUI Group, thus also available for the Belgian subsidiary.
I am one of those contrarily people because I saw on the KfW website that their support must be limited to Germany:

https://www.kfw.de/inlandsfoerderung/Un ... ung-(855)/
Das Förderprodukt kommt nicht in Frage für:
Umschuldung beziehungsweise die Nachfinanzierung bereits abgeschlossener Vorhaben.
Unternehmen, die zum 31.12.2019 in Schwierigkeiten waren.
Auslandsvorhaben von deutschen Unternehmen oder deren Tochtergesellschaften mit Sitz im Ausland.


Translated by Google, that means:

The funding product is not suitable for:
Debt restructuring or the re-financing of projects that have already been completed.
Companies that were in difficulties as of December 31, 2019.
Foreign projects by German companies or their subsidiaries based abroad.


So it seems that TUI AG was able to get a waiver for that clause. Well done!

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Just an idea here, but could it be there's some confusion as to what TUI we're talking about?

Because to me it sounds like the operations of the package holiday company in Belgium can find shelter under the German umbrella -which is not so surprisingly at all-, but nowhere do they explicitly mention the airlines, which is a different legal entity which BTW has reportedly knocked on the door of the Belgian government for €250m in state aid.

Clarification would be appropriate

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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2020

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Inquirer wrote:
09 Apr 2020, 17:23
Just an idea here, but could it be there's some confusion as to what TUI we're talking about?

Because to me it sounds like the operations of the package holiday company in Belgium can find shelter under the German umbrella -which is not so surprisingly at all-, but nowhere do they explicitly mention the airlines, which is a different legal entity which BTW has reportedly knocked on the door of the Belgian government for €250m in state aid.

Clarification would be appropriate
Well, TUI is TUI and the airlines fly their customers to their destination, that’s it.
Of course you know that, but TUI can also decide to get rid of their airlines at any moment (which do not really bring money to the group)... Every airline is kind of « independant » and would be stupid not to ask for a local « loan » (in my opinion). Their structure cannot be compared to LH and SN, very obviously.

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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2020

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Passenger wrote:
09 Apr 2020, 17:05

So it seems that TUI AG was able to get a waiver for that clause. Well done!
Since day 1 it was known to be a loan for the entire group :roll:

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