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That was quite a big win for the management of Skeyes, wasn't it?

https://www.aviation24.be/air-traffic-c ... -as-10-14/

What do controllers think about it?

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Far be it from me to speak in the name of anyone else, atc staff least of all; but I can see only winners here. On the short term some might seem to be loosing, but on the long term there is a gain of clarity and that means stabilty: people will be less excited, less annoyed, less stressy. Which might even help reduce the bad health reports from a few. So, for as little as I can see, this judgement is a win for all concerned. Not least from a passengers' point of view :mrgreen:

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Trade union ACV/CSC-Transcom files strike notice at Air Navigation Service Provider “skeyes” against collaboration with Belgian Defence :?

https://www.aviation24.be/air-traffic-c ... n-defence/
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sn26567 wrote:
13 Jan 2020, 18:42
Trade union ACV/CSC-Transcom files strike notice at Air Navigation Service Provider “skeyes” against collaboration with Belgian Defence :?

https://www.aviation24.be/air-traffic-c ... n-defence/
Of course they have to go on strike to start off the new year ....
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CTBke wrote:
13 Jan 2020, 22:10
sn26567 wrote:
13 Jan 2020, 18:42
Trade union ACV/CSC-Transcom files strike notice at Air Navigation Service Provider “skeyes” against collaboration with Belgian Defence :?

https://www.aviation24.be/air-traffic-c ... n-defence/
Of course they have to go on strike to start off the new year ....
And do not forget: social elections are coming this spring. Time for a trade union to profile itself.

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Belgian air traffic controllers threaten to strike at end of February

https://www.brusselstimes.com/all-news/ ... de-unions/

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After ACV, VSOA also submits a strike notice to skeyes
The liberal trade union VSOA submits a strike notice with immediate effect to air traffic controller skeyes. Earlier this month, the Christian trade union ACV did the same .

VSOA submits the notice out of dissatisfaction with the preparation of the work schedules. According to the union, this would increase workload and uncertainty. There is " a great deal of concern about the safety and well-being of staff, but also about the level of reducing the safety of operations," it says in a press release.

https://m.hln.be/geld/economie/na-acv-d ... ~a09281fa/


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SR20 wrote:
10 Mar 2020, 10:29
Investigation of a suspected fraud at skeyes during an examination of air traffic controllers !

https://www.knack.be/nieuws/belgie/onde ... 74265.html

https://www.rtbf.be/info/societe/detail ... d=10452305
Will the ATCOs strike if the examination in invalidated? :mrgreen:
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sn26567 wrote:
10 Mar 2020, 17:38
SR20 wrote:
10 Mar 2020, 10:29
Investigation of a suspected fraud at skeyes during an examination of air traffic controllers !

https://www.knack.be/nieuws/belgie/onde ... 74265.html

https://www.rtbf.be/info/societe/detail ... d=10452305
Will the ATCOs strike if the examination in invalidated? :mrgreen:
According to the FPS Mobility, the investigation has not yet been fully completed, but the management of skeyes will take the chairman of the Guild to court.

https://m.hln.be/de-krant/skeyes-daagt- ... ~ae761142/

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Why are we not surprised? The Management doesn't like The Guilde and The Guilde doesn't like the Management... They will use any possible reason to attack each other...

How is it going for the controllers during these difficult times?
Has there been any salary cut? Temporary unemployment?

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mvg wrote:
19 Apr 2020, 19:02
Has there been any salary cut?
:D :D
mvg wrote:
19 Apr 2020, 19:02
Temporary unemployment?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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mvg wrote:
19 Apr 2020, 19:02
How is it going for the controllers during these difficult times?
No different than for anybody else in the same company, as far as I know? If possible, work at home.
For those who haven't taken up tasks they can perform at home, they will be coming to work less than usual, both because of reduced traffic and to keep the amount of people at the unit at the same time as low as possible, and can probably expect to perform extra hours in the future.
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Has there been any salary cut? Temporary unemployment?
Temporary unemployment is not an option for civil servants. You've proven yourself to be very well aware of everything that's happening in the company, so you would also know that a pay cut would happen at the end of the year, the end of the reference period for ATCOs. Other employees haven't taken a pay cut so far either, as far as I know, do correct me if I'm wrong though.
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DIBO wrote:
19 Apr 2020, 20:01
mvg wrote:
19 Apr 2020, 19:02
Has there been any salary cut?
:D :D
mvg wrote:
19 Apr 2020, 19:02
Temporary unemployment?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Pfffff....

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KriVa wrote:
19 Apr 2020, 20:50
mvg wrote:
19 Apr 2020, 19:02
Has there been any salary cut? Temporary unemployment?
Temporary unemployment is not an option for civil servants. You've proven yourself to be very well aware of everything that's happening in the company, so you would also know that a pay cut would happen at the end of the year, the end of the reference period for ATCOs. Other employees haven't taken a pay cut so far either, as far as I know, do correct me if I'm wrong though.
As far as I know, there has never been any paycuts in the company's history, and that's good for the employees.
I was asking that question because airlines are not going to pay their fees (en-route and/or airport) in the next months. The payments for the last months will also be deferred and there are (almost) no flights at the moment so (almost) no income. Consequently, the company is going to need help from the State in order to pay the salaries in a few months.
What is your opinion about that?
Have the controllers been asked to make any financial effort, like pilots (for example) have?

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Walloon government takes air traffic controller skeyes to court.

Charleroi Airport and the Walloon government want to enforce in court that air traffic controller skeyes guarantees the continuity of its services. During the strike wave in March 2019, the Walloon airports were hit hard. Skeyes, which as a public company has a monopoly on airspace control, insists that it is only obliged to guarantee the safety of air traffic. The Walloon government decided to join the court proceedings at Charleroi airport.

https://m.hln.be/geld/economie/waalse-r ... ~acf1cbb0/

https://www.7sur7.be/economie/le-gouver ... ~a6879a46/

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On one hand the Walloon government invests millions in projects* that will only be beneficial for Skeyes and on the other hand they have to bring Skeyes to court to try to have a guarantee of continuity of its services.

*One example among others: https://www.aviation24.be/air-traffic-c ... r-in-2024/

Continuity of services will never be guaranteed as long as they don't choose another service provider. But that won't happen either, for political reasons...


By the way, I read here that temporary unemployment was not applicable to controllers because they are civil servants... But civil servants cannot/do not want to guarantee a service continuity? Civil servants want to be able to strike legally any time they feel like? Where is the logic here?

In the meantime, while some people are struggling with the little 1000€ help from the governement, some civil servants are relaxing at home, working only a few days per month, without losing a single euro from their huge salary, absolutely sure that they will never lose their jobs and their striking rights...
In the meantime, the State (in other words the tax payers) is going to have to put money in that company because it has lost its income, but not reduced its expenses...
In the meantime, pilots are making huge efforts with salary cuts, stressing about their jobs and some even lost it.
But yes, sorry, we are not at the same level... Some are civil servants, others are "just" workers...

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mvg wrote:
12 May 2020, 18:36

In the meantime, while some people are struggling with the little 1000€ help from the governement, some civil servants are relaxing at home, working only a few days per month, without losing a single euro from their huge salary, absolutely sure that they will never lose their jobs and their striking rights...
In the meantime, the State (in other words the tax payers) is going to have to put money in that company because it has lost its income, but not reduced its expenses...
In the meantime, pilots are making huge efforts with salary cuts, stressing about their jobs and some even lost it.
But yes, sorry, we are not at the same level... Some are civil servants, others are "just" workers...
I get your point and completely agree with it, but who is to blame here?
ATCO's? If we were ATCO's, we'd probably not ask ourselves to cut our salary by 50% if we didn't have to ;-)

Pilots? Yes, those who lost their jobs now are in deep sh****, but those in *some* major airlines like Air France, KLM etc still get their 100% salary too. That still exists. There are extreme inequalities there too.

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737MAX wrote:
12 May 2020, 19:28
mvg wrote:
12 May 2020, 18:36

In the meantime, while some people are struggling with the little 1000€ help from the governement, some civil servants are relaxing at home, working only a few days per month, without losing a single euro from their huge salary, absolutely sure that they will never lose their jobs and their striking rights...
In the meantime, the State (in other words the tax payers) is going to have to put money in that company because it has lost its income, but not reduced its expenses...
In the meantime, pilots are making huge efforts with salary cuts, stressing about their jobs and some even lost it.
But yes, sorry, we are not at the same level... Some are civil servants, others are "just" workers...
I get your point and completely agree with it, but who is to blame here?
ATCO's? If we were ATCO's, we'd probably not ask ourselves to cut our salary by 50% if we didn't have to ;-)

Pilots? Yes, those who lost their jobs now are in deep sh****, but those in *some* major airlines like Air France, KLM etc still get their 100% salary too. That still exists. There are extreme inequalities there too.
My point isn't that they should not ask themselves for a salary cut. If they are lucky enough to avoid it, that's good for them.

My point it that, because they are so protected, so well paid and their working conditions are so far above anyone else in this country:

1) they should agree to provide a minimum service at all times. They are civil servants, aren't they? For example, the French controllers must provide a minimum service in case of strike. People have enough of their wild strikes, even more if you know their working conditions. Funny how they like to compare themselves to other countries only when it suits them...
Several times, i mentioned that they have the best "work-salary-conditions package" of the world: no stress and no salary cut in the current situation is the perfect example. And the State (the taxpayers) will pay if the company is in trouble, like each time it was in the past! Mind the word "pay", not "borrow" money like they want to do for SN.

2) they should stop complaining about silly things: everyone is working hard at some point in his/her career. Pilots are not an exception to that, are they?

3) they should not be selfish and look a bit at the rest of the world before daring to complain.
Their work wasn't really difficult before the crisis, was it? We already talked about the amount of time on position, the low traffic levels in Brussels compared to major hubs in Europe. How is it going to be for the next 2 or 3 years after this crisis? A piece of cake!

About your example, you are right. But Air France (KLM is slightly different) is probably one of the last companies that gives pilots such privileges like nowhere else in the world.
Skeyes is doing the same with the controllers, and even more. It is one of the last workplace where controllers are so much protected, so well paid and so untouchables.
I challenge anyone to find another company in the world paying so much, working so little and with a better (or even similar) employee's protection.

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