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Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Post by Yuqu12 » 16 May 2019, 09:26

Even if he doesn't know anyhting about what's going on there, that's still no excuse to blame the politicians for doing nothing. As a minister of Labour, his only legal options to try and resolve heavy conflicts between employees and employer is to appoint a social mediator.

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Post by Passenger » 16 May 2019, 09:29

atcofl wrote:
16 May 2019, 08:37
And even for those in break, attending isn't obvious, since you're supposed to become back refreshed from a break, not super annoyed with management.
Same principle applies for your management: after that meeting with the unions, they have to work till late evening, super annoyed with egoistic people like you. And management can't take breaks as much as you can do.
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16 May 2019, 08:37
So, unions called for everyone to attend (also from other units and other services such as technicians, meteo, administrative staff) and put down a strike notice to allow people to attend.
Do you believe that yourself? A public meeting, attended by all staff, where management explains in detail how much new bonuses and advantages they have given one particular group, to end a strike by those who have already the highiest salary within the company? If the 10h meeting would have taken place as a public meeting for all, everybody at Skeyes would have gone on strike and demand a 30h week.

Like Sean1982 explained: you are a civil servant. So behave yourself please. Show respect towards those who pay your extremely high salary.

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Post by Matt » 16 May 2019, 09:36

Passenger wrote:
16 May 2019, 09:29

Like Sean1982 explained: you are a civil servant. So behave yourself please. Show respect towards those who pay your extremely high salary.
I for one think those high salaries are justified tough... But that's another subject I think


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Post by Conti764 » 16 May 2019, 09:41

atcofl wrote:
16 May 2019, 08:37
A meeting for CANAC atco's had been planned for 10h today. The initial email called of the COO for everyone to be there so they could explain the 'agreement'. However, 10h is a busy time to work, so a lot of people wouldn't be able to attend anyway. And even for those in break, attending isn't obvious, since you're supposed to become back refreshed from a break, not super annoyed with management.
So, unions called for everyone to attend (also from other units and other services such as technicians, meteo, administrative staff) and put down a strike notice to allow people to attend.
Yesterday, management changed their mind and decided to talk to people in small groups. We are against that, since we want to be united and all have the right to the same explanation, listening to other people's questions. So we all were going to attend at 10h.
Then, management clearly got scared and they cancelled the meeting. I don't know if they were hoping people would then just keep working, but all they're doing is making people more angry.

Great management we have, they clearly thought this trough very well...
I fail to understand… If - according to you - everybody should have the opportunity to listen to the management together, united, who is going to perform atc? This is just nitpicking from your side...

Maybe management should have held two seperate meetings for everyone to attend, but still… :roll:

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Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Post by luchtzak » 16 May 2019, 09:50

Ludo Geerts on our Facebook page: Trade Union spokesman on the radion has just announced the possibility of prolonged Industrial action today 😠😠

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Post by Atlantis » 16 May 2019, 10:04

Well, they can take action as long as they want, soon it is not needed anymore to have many of them. And very high time to let do the traffic control by other countries
Airline companies have enough of flying to Belgium bcs of the many strikes. This costs them tons of money on top of the very high cost for fuel, etc. It is too costly for them and a decision can be that they will not fly anymore.

I can tell you that for sure the talks with new possible airlines are stuck or even disrupted bcs of the strikes since the beginning of this year.

Well done, so sympathy for this. Look for a normal job and don't bother people who really want to work or who has to take a plane for whatever reason

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Post by Matt » 16 May 2019, 10:05

Atlantis wrote:
16 May 2019, 10:04

I can tell you that for sure the talks with new possible airlines are stuck or even disrupted bcs of the strikes since the beginning of this year.
Which airlines are those?

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Post by Conti764 » 16 May 2019, 10:14

Matt wrote:
16 May 2019, 10:05
Atlantis wrote:
16 May 2019, 10:04

I can tell you that for sure the talks with new possible airlines are stuck or even disrupted bcs of the strikes since the beginning of this year.
Which airlines are those?
Singapore comes to mind... Asiana a second one. Some time ago there were rumours of LATAM...

BRU missing out on a lot because of these actions.

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Post by Conti764 » 16 May 2019, 10:16

Just a question, is it possible to nationalise ATC, give military ATCO's a proper training and have them do ATC?

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Post by Matt » 16 May 2019, 10:18

Conti764 wrote:
16 May 2019, 10:16
Just a question, is it possible to nationalise ATC, give military ATCO's a proper training and have them do ATC?
Good question... This is done in Brasil ( this example comes to mind ) and other countries as well. So possible in Belgium?

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Post by TLspotting » 16 May 2019, 10:20

All Zaventem flights cancelled until 13:00L. What's the amount of them?
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Post by Shonix » 16 May 2019, 10:29

Let's bring back Ronald Reagan...

Seriously, this is a pure shame. Those unions full of egocentric individuals who desperately keep clinging to their privileges and refuse to adapt to a changing world are what drags down our economy.

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Post by Atlantis » 16 May 2019, 10:32

This is a disaster, I can tell you. No need to mention politics bcs it will be elections, so they will not involve now. It will be for the next one.

But such actions you simply can't explain to foreign airlines companies anymore, we used all credibility. Even the current airlines at BRU and LGE are complaining like never before. To give an example, we lost already freight, certain flights, to Germany and we even don't know if it is temporary or for good. Regarding pax, some foreign long haul companies are thinking to stop flying to BRU and increasing or using bigger metal to Germany and AMS. All the good work and effort from all BRU staff is vanished away by all those actions of the traffic controllers.

Once again, stop with those national or regional ATC, make it European one or a Benelux one and don't give those jobs to all those who are constantly on strike

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Post by sn26567 » 16 May 2019, 11:46

Brussels Airlines estimates that the losses due to strikes at skeyes amount to at least 4 million euros. This could well mean the difference between being profitable or not at the end of the year!
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Post by Atlantis » 16 May 2019, 11:48

What is the current status for LGE and CRL? Same grounded for the moment?

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Post by TLspotting » 16 May 2019, 12:00

Atlantis wrote:
16 May 2019, 11:48
What is the current status for LGE and CRL? Same grounded for the moment?
8 Ryanair flights cancelled at least from and to CRL.
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Post by SR20 » 16 May 2019, 12:14

Atlantis wrote:
16 May 2019, 11:48
What is the current status for LGE and CRL? Same grounded for the moment?
I guess so, if ACC is not available, nearly impossible for commercial traffic to reach or escape from those airports.
Although it looks like a FedEx B777 from Shanghai PVG managed to land at LGG at 11h30 LT.

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Post by TLspotting » 16 May 2019, 12:19

TLspotting wrote:
16 May 2019, 10:20
All Zaventem flights cancelled until 13:00L. What's the amount of them?
More than 100 flights including Charleroi.
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Post by Jetter » 16 May 2019, 12:23

atcofl wrote:
16 May 2019, 08:37
A meeting for CANAC atco's had been planned for 10h today. The initial email called of the COO for everyone to be there so they could explain the 'agreement'. However, 10h is a busy time to work, so a lot of people wouldn't be able to attend anyway. And even for those in break, attending isn't obvious, since you're supposed to become back refreshed from a break, not super annoyed with management.
So, unions called for everyone to attend (also from other units and other services such as technicians, meteo, administrative staff) and put down a strike notice to allow people to attend.
Yesterday, management changed their mind and decided to talk to people in small groups. We are against that, since we want to be united and all have the right to the same explanation, listening to other people's questions. So we all were going to attend at 10h.
Then, management clearly got scared and they cancelled the meeting. I don't know if they were hoping people would then just keep working, but all they're doing is making people more angry.

Great management we have, they clearly thought this trough very well...
Have you thought this through at all? In a 24h job how are you ever possible to have meetings were everyone can attend? Would you prefer they schedule a meeting at 4 in the morning when there is less to do and expect everyone to be there? And how do you not take the time to talk this over but instead announce a strike the moment you don’t like something. You and your selfish colleagues should be ashamed of yourself and your poor work mentality.

This demand for one meeting for all is nuts. :x Small groups is the way to go and how many companies work. Meetings like this are for information purposes and not for a certain group of employees to show how united they are as you seem to want it to be. After the meetings management or the union can make a FAQ so you know the answer to other people questions. :idea:

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