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Post by theeuropean » 08 Aug 2019, 16:44

What was happening to the Qatar flights that were mentioned in another topic that they wanted apparently to start trans Atlantic flights? Apparently, there were also other airlines interested from across the pond. Do we have any news that we can expect within the next couple of months?

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Post by nordikcam » 08 Aug 2019, 17:02

JOVAN wrote:
08 Aug 2019, 16:32
AMERICAN just announces big expansion in Eastern Europe.

Eg 5 times a week to Krakau !!!

I would have expected something was in for BRU ( Philadelpia ??)

Capital of Europe airport is not getting a lot lately.
I know that BRU is a Star Alliance airport, but I can not understand why the capital of Europe is no longer serviced by AA while traveling to Krakow! She did however come there until recently while SN was already working with UA ...

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Post by Conti764 » 08 Aug 2019, 18:13

nordikcam wrote:
08 Aug 2019, 17:02
JOVAN wrote:
08 Aug 2019, 16:32
AMERICAN just announces big expansion in Eastern Europe.

Eg 5 times a week to Krakau !!!

I would have expected something was in for BRU ( Philadelpia ??)

Capital of Europe airport is not getting a lot lately.
I know that BRU is a Star Alliance airport, but I can not understand why the capital of Europe is no longer serviced by AA while traveling to Krakow! She did however come there until recently while SN was already working with UA ...
AA starts very modest with only 5 seasonal flighys a week, nothing to be impressed with. And they fly from one of their bigger hubs ORD, where they face very stiff competition from UA to BRU.

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Post by Atlantis » 08 Aug 2019, 21:25

JOVAN wrote:
08 Aug 2019, 16:32
AMERICAN just announces big expansion in Eastern Europe.

Eg 5 times a week to Krakau !!!

I would have expected something was in for BRU ( Philadelpia ??)

Capital of Europe airport is not getting a lot lately.
The flights of AA to Krakau from Chicago are not a surprise. You have to know that Chicago has a really huge Polish community there.

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Post by TLspotting » 08 Aug 2019, 21:26

Yup... But LOT already on both routes...
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Post by sn26567 » 09 Aug 2019, 00:18

TLspotting wrote:
08 Aug 2019, 21:26
Yup... But LOT already on both routes...
Both routes: ORD-KRK and ...?
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Post by PttU » 09 Aug 2019, 08:06

sn26567 wrote:
09 Aug 2019, 00:18
TLspotting wrote:
08 Aug 2019, 21:26
Yup... But LOT already on both routes...
Both routes: ORD-KRK and ...?
... and KRK-ORD :lol:
But maybe he meant ORD-WAW?

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Post by TLspotting » 09 Aug 2019, 09:30

No no. KRK-ORD and BUD-ORD are both already operated by LOT Polish Airlines...
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Post by Atlantis » 15 Aug 2019, 22:24

Time to start part 4 where to place the airlines and Alliances under the big roof of BRU.

As we discussed before which airlines and destinations we can expect, it is time to discuss where they will be in this whole picture.
BTW some of the airlines/destinations which were discussed before are in the last stage of negotiations. So let's hope that by the beginning of the Winter season they will announce and open the bookings for the next Summer season.

As BRU will build two new Piers, let us start with the Pier who will be the longest in the future. This will be Pier C.
Pier C will accomodate the leisure flights of TUI, Corendon, SN, Tailwind and many other leisure carriers. This Pier will accomodate around 12 to 15 gates for short and long haul.
There will be also some remote stands for Ryanair and Easyjet according to their cost structure. Also in their benefit, but also for all other airlines, is the faster access to the runways.
Pier C will take over the leisure flights from Pier A and B. TUI can operate all flights from this Pier. Also their own maintenance building and offices are close as this is on the same part of the airport.
Pier C will be also connected with the Leisure Terminal which is finally in use again.

Pier C will be used as back up in case that there is place too short. That's why is can receive short and long haul

The second new Pier will be A Pier West. This one will be build in a few years.
Pier A West will be accomodated with 15 long haul gates or 20 short haul gates. It still can change after final decision.
Pier A West will have their own border control to enter the main A Pier or if you want to enter this part. The same strategy as with the T-Gates

This Pier will be the dedicated Star Alliance Pier. This will be a State-of-Art. BRU is doing fine and good. This will be a way to appreciate and give the clients and PAX what they deserve.

Pier A West will welcome the United flights, Ethiopian, Thai, Asiana, ANA, Singapore Airlines, Air Canada, Egyptair, Turkish Airlines and reserved for Indian, Latin America and South Africa flights if needed.
SN can also have their part in this with flights to The States/Canada.

A Pier West can have finally also the Star Alliance Lounge. As the fifth biggest Star Alliance hub in the World it is a must to have and to spoil your customers

SN will keep the T-Gates and their lounge on the place where they have it now. It would be even good to give them some more space by extra one or two gates for expanding their flights to Africa. Everything depends on what we will hear from LH at the end of this third quarter.

The other part of Pier A will be used by SN and the other members of Star. LOT Polish Airlines is going to expand more by offering more flights. Also LH, Swiss, Austrian, TAP, SAS are heavy users of this Pier.

By moving away some flights to Pier C, the needed space will become available. Some extra flights of United and Air Canada would be welcome.

Let us have a look at the other Pier B. This will be the dedicated State-of-Art Pier B. OneWorld and Skyteam will be under this roof.

This biggest Alliance, after Star, is Oneworld. BA, Qatar, Cathay and RAM have their place already in Pier B. Only Finnair and Iberia has to move from Pier A to Pier B.
This Alliance can have their place at the beginning of Pier B. They are still growing as RAM is going to offer more direct flights instead of triangle. Also Qatar wants to expand.
But a must be is American Airlines with the two flights which they had before. Also LATAM is high on the list.
An other airline with potential is S7 Airlines. The Russian market is doing very well. Each month the numbers are high and increasing. With only two carriers, there is still place for a third one. S7 is flying with very modern Airbus equipment and they have also St. Petersburg in the portfolio.

Next to OneWorld will be Skyteam. This is the smallest Alliance but has still potential to grow. Delta, Tarom, MEA and Aeroflot are already flying from Pier B. AF/KLM, Alitalia, Czech Airlines and Air Europe has to move from Pier A to Pier B.
This alliance can still grow by an extra flight/destination of Delta. Aero Mexico and China Southern are also possible. China Southern are eventhough not in Skyteam anymore.

The last part of Pier B can be used by the ME carriers as Emirates, Etihad, Oman Air. Also Hainan Airlines, Rwandair and others can have their fixed place here.

As this will be a mix of Shengen and non-Shengen, as we also have in other airports, a minimum of control will be needed. This is already the case since long when you take an SN flight or other European flight that you still have to show your ID, even when you fly Shengen.

In Pier B and C a lot E-Gates will be needed and let them work this to have smooth access to the country and a pleasant experience for the clients

This way of placing carriers and allicances under one roof will give you a clear structure, smooth connections between each other flights and will be even more attractive to other carriers to fly to BRU. This will be also a recognition to the clients and PAX that they feel respected and that they can fly from a well organized airport

The Terminal of the future will be also the airport of the future.

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Post by sn26567 » 15 Aug 2019, 23:45

Lots of ambition at Brussels Airport: that's the way to go.

I am somewhat afraid by the fact that all piers will have both Schengen and non-Schengen flights. When you see the mess at the e-gates of pier B which is now exclusively non-Schengen, I fear a contamination of that mess spreading to all piers.

Why would all the passengers have to go through passport control? Unless the police is disseminated throughout the terminal and manning only the non-Schengen gates of each pier? That looks like an organisational nightmare.
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Post by PttU » 16 Aug 2019, 00:06

Why would an airport care about the alliances and their placement? The only reason would be to accommodate transferring passengers and limit their connection time. But having the connecting passengers walk through your revenue-generating mall, and on the other hand keeping Shengen/non-Shengen split, would be more interesting for the airport as a company I'm afraid.
And for the other revenues: a flight is a flight, no matter the airline, and certainly no matter the alliance the airline belongs to.

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Post by Conti764 » 16 Aug 2019, 09:05

Atlantis wrote:
15 Aug 2019, 22:24
Time to start part 4 where to place the airlines and Alliances under the big roof of BRU.

As we discussed before which airlines and destinations we can expect, it is time to discuss where they will be in this whole picture.
BTW some of the airlines/destinations which were discussed before are in the last stage of negotiations. So let's hope that by the beginning of the Winter season they will announce and open the bookings for the next Summer season.

As BRU will build two new Piers, let us start with the Pier who will be the longest in the future. This will be Pier C.
Pier C will accomodate the leisure flights of TUI, Corendon, SN, Tailwind and many other leisure carriers. This Pier will accomodate around 12 to 15 gates for short and long haul.
There will be also some remote stands for Ryanair and Easyjet according to their cost structure. Also in their benefit, but also for all other airlines, is the faster access to the runways.
Pier C will take over the leisure flights from Pier A and B. TUI can operate all flights from this Pier. Also their own maintenance building and offices are close as this is on the same part of the airport.
Pier C will be also connected with the Leisure Terminal which is finally in use again.

Pier C will be used as back up in case that there is place too short. That's why is can receive short and long haul

The second new Pier will be A Pier West. This one will be build in a few years.
Pier A West will be accomodated with 15 long haul gates or 20 short haul gates. It still can change after final decision.
Pier A West will have their own border control to enter the main A Pier or if you want to enter this part. The same strategy as with the T-Gates

This Pier will be the dedicated Star Alliance Pier. This will be a State-of-Art. BRU is doing fine and good. This will be a way to appreciate and give the clients and PAX what they deserve.

Pier A West will welcome the United flights, Ethiopian, Thai, Asiana, ANA, Singapore Airlines, Air Canada, Egyptair, Turkish Airlines and reserved for Indian, Latin America and South Africa flights if needed.
SN can also have their part in this with flights to The States/Canada.

A Pier West can have finally also the Star Alliance Lounge. As the fifth biggest Star Alliance hub in the World it is a must to have and to spoil your customers

SN will keep the T-Gates and their lounge on the place where they have it now. It would be even good to give them some more space by extra one or two gates for expanding their flights to Africa. Everything depends on what we will hear from LH at the end of this third quarter.

The other part of Pier A will be used by SN and the other members of Star. LOT Polish Airlines is going to expand more by offering more flights. Also LH, Swiss, Austrian, TAP, SAS are heavy users of this Pier.

By moving away some flights to Pier C, the needed space will become available. Some extra flights of United and Air Canada would be welcome.

Let us have a look at the other Pier B. This will be the dedicated State-of-Art Pier B. OneWorld and Skyteam will be under this roof.

This biggest Alliance, after Star, is Oneworld. BA, Qatar, Cathay and RAM have their place already in Pier B. Only Finnair and Iberia has to move from Pier A to Pier B.
This Alliance can have their place at the beginning of Pier B. They are still growing as RAM is going to offer more direct flights instead of triangle. Also Qatar wants to expand.
But a must be is American Airlines with the two flights which they had before. Also LATAM is high on the list.
An other airline with potential is S7 Airlines. The Russian market is doing very well. Each month the numbers are high and increasing. With only two carriers, there is still place for a third one. S7 is flying with very modern Airbus equipment and they have also St. Petersburg in the portfolio.

Next to OneWorld will be Skyteam. This is the smallest Alliance but has still potential to grow. Delta, Tarom, MEA and Aeroflot are already flying from Pier B. AF/KLM, Alitalia, Czech Airlines and Air Europe has to move from Pier A to Pier B.
This alliance can still grow by an extra flight/destination of Delta. Aero Mexico and China Southern are also possible. China Southern are eventhough not in Skyteam anymore.

The last part of Pier B can be used by the ME carriers as Emirates, Etihad, Oman Air. Also Hainan Airlines, Rwandair and others can have their fixed place here.

As this will be a mix of Shengen and non-Shengen, as we also have in other airports, a minimum of control will be needed. This is already the case since long when you take an SN flight or other European flight that you still have to show your ID, even when you fly Shengen.

In Pier B and C a lot E-Gates will be needed and let them work this to have smooth access to the country and a pleasant experience for the clients

This way of placing carriers and allicances under one roof will give you a clear structure, smooth connections between each other flights and will be even more attractive to other carriers to fly to BRU. This will be also a recognition to the clients and PAX that they feel respected and that they can fly from a well organized airport

The Terminal of the future will be also the airport of the future.
All good plans, accept for the one highlighted about the T-gates... Does SN agree to this once temporary solution of the T-gates?

Everyday again it's very busy and on red days even to the extreme. People are anxiously qeuing not knowing whether they can still catch their flight, people are cutting the line resulting in endless discussions, etc.

In my opinion SN's African ops are the most important of the entire airport. It's what kept your number one carrier afloat for many years and still brings in the much needed cash to survive, even under LH umbrella. With opening up this 'state of the art' C-pier, SN's Africa ops should have absolute priority to be handled there and all others (UA, TG, ET, ANA,...) need to adapt or come in secondary.

For many years the SN African ops were taken for granted, since pax were more or less forced to fly SN due to lack of competition, but things have changed dramatically ever since with more and more competitors 'discovering' Africa and its huge potential. So SN should do more than just have their passengers waiting for a nearly endless line to enter a cramped area with virtually no services accept for C-clients.

About A-pier West, imho to cater for a smooth transfer, not the least for the highest paying pax, they should keep C-class completely seperated from other pax with a dedicated corridor on a seperate level and dedicated entry via a second jetway and a direct access to the lounges in the Topaaz. BRU should be one of the first choices for passengers to transfer.

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Post by Atlantis » 16 Aug 2019, 09:23

sn26567 wrote:
15 Aug 2019, 23:45
Lots of ambition at Brussels Airport: that's the way to go.

I am somewhat afraid by the fact that all piers will have both Schengen and non-Schengen flights. When you see the mess at the e-gates of pier B which is now exclusively non-Schengen, I fear a contamination of that mess spreading to all piers.

Why would all the passengers have to go through passport control? Unless the police is disseminated throughout the terminal and manning only the non-Schengen gates of each pier? That looks like an organisational nightmare.
There are still many years to go before everything is implemented.
Many options are under the loop. Was even a thought to bring all flights to the States and to Israel to place there as they need extra security. That was also in the time that Jet Airways was still flying to BRU.
Even the option to leave everything like it is, Shengen and non-chengen.
But if the ambition is to have 40 million pax by 2040, something has to change drastically and guts are needed to do changes to stay competitive and attractive.

AMS, CDG and LHR are saturated. BRU has still the space. To put more attention to the clients and pax and with good adverts/campaigns they could attract much more clients. It is now the time to act.

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Post by Atlantis » 16 Aug 2019, 09:45

PttU wrote:
16 Aug 2019, 00:06
Why would an airport care about the alliances and their placement? The only reason would be to accommodate transferring passengers and limit their connection time. But having the connecting passengers walk through your revenue-generating mall, and on the other hand keeping Shengen/non-Shengen split, would be more interesting for the airport as a company I'm afraid.
And for the other revenues: a flight is a flight, no matter the airline, and certainly no matter the alliance the airline belongs to.
An airport HAS to care of the airlines and the alliances. Those are their clients. To give you one example: at LHR you also have the alliances under one roof and this to make the journey of the pax more easier and the connecting time shorter. This makes LHR also more attractive even it is the busiest airport in Europe. A huge majority is travelling via LHR not always bcs they have to be in the UK but bcs they over you the wide range of destinations. This ambition is also what needs to be here. Not like the Belgian mentality of thinking that pax and airlines will come by themself, no you have to do something...

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Post by Atlantis » 16 Aug 2019, 09:53

Conti764 wrote:
16 Aug 2019, 09:05
Atlantis wrote:
15 Aug 2019, 22:24

All good plans, accept for the one highlighted about the T-gates... Does SN agree to this once temporary solution of the T-gates?

Everyday again it's very busy and on red days even to the extreme. People are anxiously qeuing not knowing whether they can still catch their flight, people are cutting the line resulting in endless discussions, etc.

In my opinion SN's African ops are the most important of the entire airport. It's what kept your number one carrier afloat for many years and still brings in the much needed cash to survive, even under LH umbrella. With opening up this 'state of the art' C-pier, SN's Africa ops should have absolute priority to be handled there and all others (UA, TG, ET, ANA,...) need to adapt or come in secondary.

For many years the SN African ops were taken for granted, since pax were more or less forced to fly SN due to lack of competition, but things have changed dramatically ever since with more and more competitors 'discovering' Africa and its huge potential. So SN should do more than just have their passengers waiting for a nearly endless line to enter a cramped area with virtually no services accept for C-clients.

About A-pier West, imho to cater for a smooth transfer, not the least for the highest paying pax, they should keep C-class completely seperated from other pax with a dedicated corridor on a seperate level and dedicated entry via a second jetway and a direct access to the lounges in the Topaaz. BRU should be one of the first choices for passengers to transfer.
Regarding the T-Gates and the African ops I fully agree with you Conti764. That's why I mentioned that it would be good to extend that part for them so that they can expand. But for this we have to wait, I'm afraid of what LH will release about SN. That's why this part is still uncertain. If they will make from SN the main partner to Africa, IF they will give them the needed planes, IF they let them expand to other destinations in Africa, than you can make a dedicated African part for SN.

In my opinion, SN has to drastically expand now to Africa. Kinshasa and Lagos will become the new super cities in the world. Read some articles about it in Express.be. They will be even bigger than NY.

As from the moment that everything is more clear regarding SN, it can be implemented

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Post by Atlantis » 16 Aug 2019, 12:51

Some action and some movements are needed to take in the next coming years.

It is now already that the A Pier is congested many times during the day. The B Pier is congested during the morning. But let us be honest, the B Pier is quite empty during the afternoon and evening. So there is the potential still.

What you can do is to place all long haul flights there and all African flights of SN you can move to the new A Pier West. Also a place which they deserve and to let them expand.

But on the B Pier you dont't have constantly the long hauls, so again you have empty space. Better is to move the European flights of OneWorld and Skyteam also to this B Pier to optimize everything

If we would keep everything like it is, this whole A Pier would be a nightmare regarding the huge number of people there.

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Post by lumumba » 16 Aug 2019, 14:25

It's really pity for the T gates ,so an ambitious plan and they will keep the T gates strange to me?!
Out of LH to make it bigger or not for Brussels Airlines and the airport Africa is too important to leave them with this unfinished gates!
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Post by Atlantis » 16 Aug 2019, 14:49

lumumba wrote:
16 Aug 2019, 14:25
It's really pity for the T gates ,so an ambitious plan and they will keep the T gates strange to me?!
Out of LH to make it bigger or not for Brussels Airlines and the airport Africa is too important to leave them with this unfinished gates!
Like I said earlier, everything depends also on what LH will release of information regarding SN.
Remember that LH said that Eurowings will only keep European flights? Now Eurowings will still do and even expand long haul.

So, with such a mother company it is very hard to rely on and to work together with.

But keep in mind that still everything can change. SN can still have more space at A Pier West or even the B pier. Everything goes in phases. Like I wrote in this ambitious plan, final decision will be made soon

But with giving Star Alliance a dedicated pier is already a good step forward. A bad plan would be if you don't do anything or if you are not flexible to change the plan.
In aviation it is that you have to decide and act fast as certain contours are certain. Now it is really waiting what the future of SN will be. If they will have green light and can do a lot, be sure that they will have a prominent role at BRU. Don't worry 😊

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Post by Jetter » 16 Aug 2019, 18:57

Atlantis wrote:
16 Aug 2019, 09:45
PttU wrote:
16 Aug 2019, 00:06
Why would an airport care about the alliances and their placement? The only reason would be to accommodate transferring passengers and limit their connection time. But having the connecting passengers walk through your revenue-generating mall, and on the other hand keeping Shengen/non-Shengen split, would be more interesting for the airport as a company I'm afraid.
And for the other revenues: a flight is a flight, no matter the airline, and certainly no matter the alliance the airline belongs to.
An airport HAS to care of the airlines and the alliances. Those are their clients. To give you one example: at LHR you also have the alliances under one roof and this to make the journey of the pax more easier and the connecting time shorter. This makes LHR also more attractive even it is the busiest airport in Europe. A huge majority is travelling via LHR not always bcs they have to be in the UK but bcs they over you the wide range of destinations. This ambition is also what needs to be here. Not like the Belgian mentality of thinking that pax and airlines will come by themself, no you have to do something...
Passengers are clients of airports too, they pay the tax and spend their money at the airport. In my opinion first priority should be their experience by limiting passport/security checks to the minimum needed, thus separating distinct passenger flows: Schengen/non-Schengen, sterile/non-sterile. In example someone arriving from the USA transferring onto another flight should never have to go through security and someone arriving from and going to an EU country also shouldn’t have to show his passport. After that is achieved it’s good to look at the logical location of alliances. But to do that might be very complicated with the current infrastructure. AFAIK only AMS has this currently, and even there only the new pier will allow for all type of passengers at all gates.

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Post by Conti764 » 16 Aug 2019, 21:49

Jetter wrote:
16 Aug 2019, 18:57
Atlantis wrote:
16 Aug 2019, 09:45
PttU wrote:
16 Aug 2019, 00:06
Why would an airport care about the alliances and their placement? The only reason would be to accommodate transferring passengers and limit their connection time. But having the connecting passengers walk through your revenue-generating mall, and on the other hand keeping Shengen/non-Shengen split, would be more interesting for the airport as a company I'm afraid.
And for the other revenues: a flight is a flight, no matter the airline, and certainly no matter the alliance the airline belongs to.
An airport HAS to care of the airlines and the alliances. Those are their clients. To give you one example: at LHR you also have the alliances under one roof and this to make the journey of the pax more easier and the connecting time shorter. This makes LHR also more attractive even it is the busiest airport in Europe. A huge majority is travelling via LHR not always bcs they have to be in the UK but bcs they over you the wide range of destinations. This ambition is also what needs to be here. Not like the Belgian mentality of thinking that pax and airlines will come by themself, no you have to do something...
Passengers are clients of airports too, they pay the tax and spend their money at the airport. In my opinion first priority should be their experience by limiting passport/security checks to the minimum needed, thus separating distinct passenger flows: Schengen/non-Schengen, sterile/non-sterile. In example someone arriving from the USA transferring onto another flight should never have to go through security and someone arriving from and going to an EU country also shouldn’t have to show his passport. After that is achieved it’s good to look at the logical location of alliances. But to do that might be very complicated with the current infrastructure. AFAIK only AMS has this currently, and even there only the new pier will allow for all type of passengers at all gates.
At BRU people transfering from select countries currently already undergo less strict passportchecks and no additional security than people from other countries. Directly out of my head: all shengen countries + USA and Canada...

Ever since its excistence shengen pax have different passages from non-shengen pax at bordercontrol.

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