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Re: Air traffic control service skeyes to strike in the evenings and nights of 12 & 13 March

Post by mvg » 15 Mar 2019, 07:07

Hello everyone,

Nice input from controllers, thank you for that.
atcofl wrote:
14 Mar 2019, 19:19
There really is a lack of staffing at Belgocontrol and the reason for this is mismanagement. The current situation arose when 10 years ago or so, the then management decided to not hire any new people (not only atco's, but generally almost nobody), since they wanted to cut costs and they believed that technology would further improve, believing they could manage the same traffic or more with less people. Even at that time they knew they were just a few years away from a huge wave of retirement.

Well, their predictions were wrong, people retired and there was a large staff shortage. Current management, in 2015, decided to do something about that and started one recruitment campaign. Soon realising this wasn't enough, they have increased their hiring to +/- 30 atco's per year, about 2/3 of whom pass.
True. But at least they have decided to do something. I am not defending the current management but at least they have started to act. They are not the first management who reacts late. Strike should have happened way earlier when they were not reacting. Now they are! 30 Atco's per year is a lot!
atcofl wrote:
14 Mar 2019, 19:19
Initially, in 2015, the staff shortage was present in all units. And if they had thought forward a few years back then, did have an opportunity to redesign how atco careers work at Belgocontrol. They didn't, which leads to the current mess.

In Belgocontrol, as one of the few (or only) ANSPs in Europe, every atco starts their career at a tower (the regions or Brussels). Tower atcos can then, after a few (or many) years follow training to work in CANAC (approach or ACC). So, when they started the recruitment in 2015, the towers started to fill up in 2017 and at a higher rate from last year onward. But only when the towers had enough staffing, did they start the training for CANAC. That means that in the last 10 years, no new atcos have joined CANAC (bar a few foreigners and people who restarted operational work from non-ops work), while many have retired. The atco's who are in training for CANAC are now doing their on-the-job-training and should finish it within the next few months, with a second batch on the way. This is however not even good enough to replace the people set to retire, so filling the staff shortage is a long way off.

Now, management realises that they're not even close to solving the problem and with all the social action ongoing, they're starting to panic. So their latest plan from this week is to take people who have just finished their initial training and directly drop them in the CANAC training that started last week. In defiance of all rules at Belgocontrol. They have not yet realised that this will not solve anything; since the big bottle-neck is the on-the-job-training. In CANAC, there are a limited amount of working positing, so there are a limited amount of people who can do their training at the same time. Putting more people at the same time in training is just causing them to wait longer. There is some discussion to the numbers, and if they can be increased, but realistically, you can train around 8 people for ACC and APP combined per 6 months. (The plan of theirs is sure to be shut down by the unions, after which Belgocontrol will claim they had a perfect solution that would solve everything and blame the unions for not agreeing).
Bit of contradiction here... A few years back they had the opportunity to redesign the careers: when they tried, unions refused it! Remember the story with the tower controllers becoming radar controllers? Controllers in Brussels were so scared that the "little" controllers would get the same licence as them... And the salary...

10 years without recruitment is true and that's a shame.

Management is now in panic: of course! The towers are almost fully staffed (as I already mentioned in a previous post) but Canac remains a problem. So they came up with the solution to take people straight from initial training to radar: this is how it works in all other countries! Look at Maastricht UAC for example! They train them straight to be en-route controllers (by the way Masstricht UAC has no towers). What's wrong with that? Why are belgians Atcos always against change? Have you tried to have an ab-initio trainee checked out straight to radar? No, it hasn't happened yet: give it a chance! If UK, France and Germany do it, why not Belgium? Of course the training will have to adapted but that's way cheaper and shorter than first paying the training for tower and then a second full training for radar! One training per Atco instead of two... Other countries have understood that! Don't refuse the change! Give it a chance!

About training too many controllers at a time in Canac: you are right, there are limits. But 6 per shift isn't unrealistic in the current desperate situtation: 1 for approach, 1 for east, 1 for west, each of them one hour on one hour off (which is what happens) and that's it! Do that each morning and each afternoon and you train 12 people per day with never more than one per "unit section". Where is the problem?
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15 Mar 2019, 00:56
On average, I estimate the success rate of trainees to be around 75%. So, let's say 4-5 atcos succeed per 6 months. In the coming years, there will be a huge retirement wave. I'd say anywhere between 6 to 15 retirees per year. Seeing that we're already +/- 10 FTE short, it doesn't take a math wizard to see where this is going... Or does anyone think it is a good idea to have controllers work 7, 8, 9, ..., 12 days on end, 1 or 2 days of and then again such a series?
The situation is difficult, that's true.
"Arbeidsreglement/reglement de travail" allows controllers to work 12 days in a row and then 2 off BUT over 3 months, the average must be 35 hours per week per quarter (of a year). In other words, if they make you work hard the first month, then the other two months of the quarter must compensate. Isn't that rule respected?

The other problem is that Canac's personnel is foreseen for sectors that never open. How often are all the sectors opened at ACC? NEVER. Why no accept to reduce reasonably the amount of Atcos present per shift? How many controllers are present per shift? At night at Brussels approach and tower: why is approach open at night while there are almost no flights into BRU? That's 3 controllers per night (6 per day) present for nothing! That almost solves your missing people now! Because controllers don't want to make any concessions!

We agree that problems are serious but efforts have to come from both sides!

I'll answer the rest later but basically we agree on the problems but not on the solutions. For a company to run, both sides need to make efforts.

One item on which I disagree are the salaries. Every controller in CANAC is above 5500/6000euros after tax (6000 for those with some seniority). Those who worked overtime were getting above 10000 every 3 months (250% paid). You forget to mention the 3 premies (end of the year + company + holidays) which gives at least 800 euros extra per month) so that is minimum 6300/6800 euros per months per controller without the 250% premies for the recalls and stuff.

What management tries to implement is to get back fast to acceptabke staffing levels. They have already done that with creative solutions in the towers (hiring people from abroad for example). Let them do this with Canac (one thing at a time).
So please work all together and do not ruin people's plans every second week with silly strikes. Management needs to come up with decent solutions and you have to accept the changes and at least try them! Don't say no to say no. You are not the management!

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Re: Air traffic control service skeyes to strike in the evenings and nights of 12 & 13 March

Post by atcofl » 15 Mar 2019, 10:10

mvg wrote:
15 Mar 2019, 07:07
Management is now in panic: of course! The towers are almost fully staffed (as I already mentioned in a previous post) but Canac remains a problem. So they came up with the solution to take people straight from initial training to radar: this is how it works in all other countries! Look at Maastricht UAC for example! They train them straight to be en-route controllers (by the way Masstricht UAC has no towers). What's wrong with that? Why are belgians Atcos always against change? Have you tried to have an ab-initio trainee checked out straight to radar? No, it hasn't happened yet: give it a chance! If UK, France and Germany do it, why not Belgium? Of course the training will have to adapted but that's way cheaper and shorter than first paying the training for tower and then a second full training for radar! One training per Atco instead of two... Other countries have understood that! Don't refuse the change! Give it a chance!
I think it's indeed a ridiculous system that every atco has to start in the tower and that every atco has to go through CANAC to get any kind of promotion. And we need to a different system (the so-called 'split career'). I'm sure there is a majority of controllers in the company who support this; but they need to come up with a proper plan. What they're doing now is taking people as they please and send them to CANAC, bypassing a lot of people. We are a government company, which means that they should work by seniority. If they don't want to, they have to organise an exam to take the most fit people.
However, that also doesn't solve the staffing problem at this point. Even if you want to send 20 people to CANAC each year, we can easily take that amount of people from the towers. There is enough staffing there and there will always be more training places in the 5 towers combined than in CANAC.
The reason that no system has been approved yet, is because it's on the negotiation table together with everything else. Is the kind of 'nothing is agreed until everything is agreed' negotiation and there are a lot of unacceptable points that management wants there. (They were optimistic and hoping to finish up October last year and start implementing from beginning of this year, lol)
mvg wrote:
15 Mar 2019, 07:07
About training too many controllers at a time in Canac: you are right, there are limits. But 6 per shift isn't unrealistic in the current desperate situtation: 1 for approach, 1 for east, 1 for west, each of them one hour on one hour off (which is what happens) and that's it! Do that each morning and each afternoon and you train 12 people per day with never more than one per "unit section". Where is the problem?
I'm not an expert at staffing and work routines at CANAC, but the main issue with your plan is the problem that only trainees would be working at almost all times, making it impossible for licensed controllers to work and retain their skills. Especially for newly licensed controllers it would mean that immediately after finishing their training, they wouldn't be able anymore to work any real traffic, leading to a decrease in skills. That's a problem we see now in the towers. Notably in Antwerp, there are controllers who have been licensed for about two years (and will therefore become instructors soon) and who have basically only work the ground position in Antwerp (which requires basically no skills, considering they have only 2 proper taxiways). Soon they will be expected to train people, but they never had a chance to get any proper experience; which is clearly a safety issue.
Furthermore, there are specific traffic flows at different times during the days and instructors choose which flows to work with their trainee, depending on at what point in the training they are. The point of on the job training is to require enough skills and if you can't work the required flows enough, you won't get the skills and fail, or need more time which just makes the bottleneck even tighter).
mvg wrote:
15 Mar 2019, 07:07
The situation is difficult, that's true.
"Arbeidsreglement/reglement de travail" allows controllers to work 12 days in a row and then 2 off BUT over 3 months, the average must be 35 hours per week per quarter (of a year). In other words, if they make you work hard the first month, then the other two months of the quarter must compensate. Isn't that rule respected?
That is indeed the theory, but that is absolutely not respected. They schedule people too much and they have some methods to work around this:
- For the nights shifts, some units (including CANAC) has indeed a 10=14 system, which means that for a 10 hour shift, 14 hours are paid. (There are no other night time compensation, such as 50% or 100% pay, which is not uncommon in the private sector). It has always been that those 14 hours were all counted as work time. A few months ago, they have unilaterally and without even telling personnel, changed the rule so that they would only count the 10 hours of work. The 4 hours are still paid, but they're not 'work time'. We can discuss whether or not that system is right, but it is in the very least disrespectful to change the rules without even informing staff or unions.
- Standby shifts are not considered work days, since you can stay home if they don't call you. So they plan you for standby shifts on top of your regular work days, even if they know they have a very high chance of being activated.
So, for example: in February there are 20 working days. Assuming no night shifts, they can schedule you for 20 regular working days and 2 standby shifts. Due to the staffing in CANAC, almost all standby's are activated, which means you would work 22 days (and they know it), but they 'only scheduled you for 20', so the schedule was in line with the law. (realistically they would schedule you for 22 regular working days, with 2 extra standby's, which means the schedule isn't ok anyway)
mvg wrote:
15 Mar 2019, 07:07
So please work all together and do not ruin people's plans every second week with silly strikes. Management needs to come up with decent solutions and you have to accept the changes and at least try them! Don't say no to say no. You are not the management!
I do agree that actions need to be taken at the company, but unlike some people seem to think, we don't actually like to strike. We care about aviation and our Belgian airports. On Tuesday, several people wanted to do full on strike. That we settled for 2 hours actions per unit, in low traffic condition; which still lead to significant salary loss for the involved controllers, shows that we care. But we are human and we can only take so much. You can not keep stretching people indefinitely, while management 'tries to solve it' (and having fun with, allegedly and unverified, a 40 person delegation at the world ATM congress in Madrid).

I don't have any personal experience with how sectors in CANAC work and I haven't seen their pay slip, so I won't comment on that.

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Re: Air traffic control service skeyes to strike in the evenings and nights of 12 & 13 March

Post by 737MAX » 15 Mar 2019, 10:41

The thing is; clueless people only see salary and close their eyes for all the rest.
Not sure they are aware of the salaries of ATCO's in other countries either. Belgium is probably lower, as always.

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Re: Air traffic control service skeyes to strike in the evenings and nights of 12 & 13 March

Post by mvg » 16 Mar 2019, 14:15

We probably can't agree on all the points discussed but thanks already for sharing your arguments.

From my point of view Atco's simply have brilliant conditions, not only looking at the salary.
Above earning more than 6000€ (after tax) per month, they have:

- a totally secure job, as they are State employees. In other words, they can never be fired. If they lose their medical they are guaranteed another job at the same salary (except the premies): ask pilots how much money such a guarantee is worth (and how much they pay for their "loss of income" insurance). As State employees, even if their company goes bankrupt, controllers will get another job, with the same salary scale! That's very different in other countries. And talk to ex-Sabena, ex-Virgin or ex-City Bird pilots...

And it's not only about the medical: have you heard about that Atco from UK who was fired because he...answered a phone he wasn't allowed to answer? Similar things happened in our country and guess what happened? Nothing :) No worries! But in any other country if you do anything else than your job on position, you are fired! Any pilot missing something very important because he would be doing something else not connected to his work at all would be fired!

- an easy job compared to the Atcos working in countries with higher salaries. Heathrow director, London ACC, and many others are not to be compared... Let's not even talk about their workload. Those guys can work up to 2 hours and a half on position and get 30 minutes break (usually less than 2.30 but if short of staff they just do it, without striking). As stated by a controller himself in this thread, here they get 2 to 3 hours break here per shift! Shifts last 6 hours (last hour is never worked) so basically we are comparing controllers who work 3 hours per day with others who work 5.30 to 6 hours!
Additionnally, many positions are single manned in neighboring countries. All radar positions in Canac are 2 persons sectors. Nothing wrong with that but then it costs the company twice the price (two atcos per position instead of one).

- about pension: at 57 (slightly variable according to how many years they have worked), a controller goes "in dispo", which means that he gets 80% of his salary until his pension and he can stay at home (yes, at home). Afterwards, pension is above 3500€ (after tax). Again not even comparable to other countries!

So yes, let's compare with others but everything! And let's compare with all the people who had to cancel their plans each time there was a strike!

Controllers live in another world and forget that a huge part of the working population has way much harder working conditions, much more stress, and salaries that are much lower. I don't call stress working one hour peak per day behind a radar compared to working in a private company where your boss if after you checking everything you do every single minute. In Belgium there is basically no check of what you do. You can leave your workplace early: nobody says anything. You can work with 3, 5, 10 miles between planes, as long as you are above the minimum, there is no maximum! One can land 15 planes per hour and won't be blamed while he could have landed 35: nobody says anything! You can fail your annual check: no worries, here are 10 (or more) other attemps, for free! And nobody fails, because there is no real check (questions are given in advance and someone signs a paper without even watching the work).

Let's take everything into account please and inform the public of what things are. Because you screw up the public. If you want to keep your conditions secret, fine, but then leave people alone and let them fly as they have or want to. You are a public service! We pay for your jobs!
It's true that not everything is done well in the company, that a lot of things could be improved. But that is not a reason, when you have so many privileges, to screw up people who can barely afford to go once per year on holidays. And at least tell them everything which is going on. And then everyone can make her/his own idea.

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Re: Air traffic control service skeyes to strike in the evenings and nights of 12 & 13 March

Post by sn26567 » 16 Mar 2019, 23:25

It seems that we have a staffing problem again! (Picture from Eurocontrol website communicated privately to Aviation24.be. Remember: times are UTC)

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Re: Air traffic control service skeyes to strike in the evenings and nights of 12 & 13 March

Post by Atco EBBR » 17 Mar 2019, 21:21

The other problem is that Canac's personnel is foreseen for sectors that never open. How often are all the sectors opened at ACC? NEVER. Why no accept to reduce reasonably the amount of Atcos present per shift? How many controllers are present per shift?
Staffing is foreseen for 2 sectors open, not all of them. If need be, extra sectors can be opened, but only for a limited period. During the winter, west is only occasionally on 2 sectors, east about half of the time. I think there would be support from ATCO's to reduce the number of controllers per shift in winter time, on condition that you protect the controllers by imposing restrictions that guarantee that a 2nd sector can only be opened for a limited timeframe.
At night at Brussels approach and tower: why is approach open at night while there are almost no flights into BRU? That's 3 controllers per night (6 per day) present for nothing! That almost solves your missing people now!
There are quite some arrivals to EBBR between 22LT and 24LT. Definitely too much to handle without approach. Btw you need controllers with valid multiple RWY APS ratings to work Brussels approach. The only ones who have that are the people from approach... And reducing manning at approach during the night would not solve staff shortage at the ACC of course...
Because controllers don't want to make any concessions!
We are definitely prepared to make concessions, but it needs to be part of a fair deal. Many people nowadays don't feel fairly treated at all: overrostering, non-adherence to internal rules (controllers from the regional towers being sent to ACS/APS course ahead of dozens of controllers from EBBR with a lot more seniority, ea), non-adherence to legal rights (maternal/paternal leave requests go unanswered, are modified without agreement,...) Now there's even talk of sending the next batch of ab-initios directly to ACS/APS course, so jumping ahead of scores of colleagues at the towers, whilst not solving anything at all. The bottleneck is not in the simulator training, but in the on-the-job training in canac which will barely be sufficient to replace the retirees. As you rightly said, the towers are now fully staffed, so controllers can be sent from there to the ACS/APS course, whilst the ab-initios replace them...

There was a nice opportunity just before the recruitment wave was started: if the ab-initios had been told then: 'you'll be trained for tower only', the split-career could have been reality now. Ask every tower controller if they want to try for ACS/APS, give them to opportunity to do so, whilst replenishing the towers with new dedicated tower controllers. It should have been in place a long time already, because it is indeed a waste of time and resources to have to train each controller twice before they can go to canac. BUT, a fair plan needs to be in place first, because for instance ATS expert positions now are only available to canac controllers, so leaving no further career opportunities for dedicated tower controllers.
mvg wrote: ↑
Today, 08:07
About training too many controllers at a time in Canac: you are right, there are limits. But 6 per shift isn't unrealistic in the current desperate situtation: 1 for approach, 1 for east, 1 for west, each of them one hour on one hour off (which is what happens) and that's it! Do that each morning and each afternoon and you train 12 people per day with never more than one per "unit section". Where is the problem?
I'm not an expert at staffing and work routines at CANAC, but the main issue with your plan is the problem that only trainees would be working at almost all times, making it impossible for licensed controllers to work and retain their skills. Especially for newly licensed controllers it would mean that immediately after finishing their training, they wouldn't be able anymore to work any real traffic, leading to a decrease in skills. That's a problem we see now in the towers. Notably in Antwerp, there are controllers who have been licensed for about two years (and will therefore become instructors soon) and who have basically only work the ground position in Antwerp (which requires basically no skills, considering they have only 2 proper taxiways). Soon they will be expected to train people, but they never had a chance to get any proper experience; which is clearly a safety issue.
Furthermore, there are specific traffic flows at different times during the days and instructors choose which flows to work with their trainee, depending on at what point in the training they are. The point of on the job training is to require enough skills and if you can't work the required flows enough, you won't get the skills and fail, or need more time which just makes the bottleneck even tighter).
100% correct. Keep in mind that you need a certain amount of unit-hours to keep your license valid. So 6-8 per day/6 months (ACC+APP) seems more realistic. And unfortunately, not everyone succeeds the training...
One item on which I disagree are the salaries. Every controller in CANAC is above 5500/6000euros after tax (6000 for those with some seniority). Those who worked overtime were getting above 10000 every 3 months (250% paid). You forget to mention the 3 premies (end of the year + company + holidays) which gives at least 800 euros extra per month) so that is minimum 6300/6800 euros per months per controller without the 250% premies for the recalls and stuff.
I don't think are salaries are relevant in this discussion. We are not making any financial demands. And does having a high salary imply that you just have take everything else? That you forego your legal rights? That you don't mind working 7-12 days in a row? That you're happy your holiday requests are denied?

Btw, your numbers seem to be slightly overoptimistic. I have 4000€ net, with somewhere between 200€ and 1000€ (exceptionally good month) in premiums, usually +/- 500€. ACC/APP controllers have about 500€ more a month, I'm told. I don't know where on earth 10000€ in overtime premium comes from, but I think you'd quite literally need to work every single day in a trimester to get there... I took the trouble to look it up: I once had a trimester with 35 hours overtime (5 days). 3500€ bruto. So you'd need to do 6 times as many hours extra, so 30 days to get close. How are you going to do that if on average 10 possible overtime days a month?

So, now that our numbers are on the table, would you mind divulging your earnings? You seem to have no scrupules in talking about and inflating ours...

I see another post in the mean time has been published. I don't know if I'll take the effort to answer that one as well, this post was 3 days in the making...

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Re: Air traffic control service skeyes to strike in the evenings and nights of 12 & 13 March

Post by sn26567 » 18 Mar 2019, 18:24

Skeyes puts structural solutions on the negotiation table

https://www.aviation24.be/air-traffic-c ... ion-table/
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Post by SR20 » 18 Mar 2019, 19:27

sn26567 wrote:
18 Mar 2019, 18:24
Skeyes puts structural solutions on the negotiation table

https://www.aviation24.be/air-traffic-c ... ion-table/
I'm afraid ATCO's won't be very pleased !

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Post by sn26567 » 18 Mar 2019, 20:28

SR20 wrote:
18 Mar 2019, 19:27
sn26567 wrote:
18 Mar 2019, 18:24
Skeyes puts structural solutions on the negotiation table

https://www.aviation24.be/air-traffic-c ... ion-table/
I'm afraid ATCO's won't be very pleased !
It's probably like in every negotiation: you get some, you give some. The truth lies in between.
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Re: Air traffic control service skeyes to strike in the evenings and nights of 12 & 13 March

Post by mvg » 19 Mar 2019, 03:22

Hi Atco EBBR.

Thanks for your input and your time. The discussion is getting a bit technical but interesting.

Let me answer item per item:

- Is is possible to reduce the staff?
Staffing is foreseen for two sectors open (per side (west and east)): how many controllers does that mean per shift?
Of course if staff is reduced, regulations need to be ready in case of staff shortage. Regulations, not closures.

- Brussels approach still open at night with 3 controllers:

Possible solution: Approach controllers work till 23.00LT, then the tower takes over the approach: tower controllers have an approach licence and (hopefully) are able to vector 15 planes per hour (reality is under 10) for one runway (no need to use two with so little traffic). From midnight there is no traffic anymore.
That's what tower controllers in EBOS, EBAW, EBLG and EBCI do all the time (with sometimes more traffic).
EBCI and EBAW are closed at night so they don't need BRU approach anymore.
Gaining 6 shifts per day for sure helps. Aren't many controllers about to retire at the approach? That's a bunch less to replace if you apply this.
6 full time less that would cost nothing to Skeyes! And less nights to work for approach people: that's a good deal!

- Quote "People don't feel fairly treated":
Overrostering: management considers a night as one day/one shift: in any company, a shift is a shift. The most important thing after a night is rest. And you get it as you are not rostered until the next day (minimum 23 hours of rest after a night). Why would they count it for two days to apply the rostering rules? The company pays for 14 hours, for 10 hours of presence at work (in reality 9) and for 3 or 4 hours really worked. Why would they count this for two day?
Seniority: the big thing! Mentalities need to change! Especially in difficult times like now! Forget about seniority! Let the company train ab-initoi straight to radar to fill in the units. That's the fastest and most econoical way. If you train them first for tower and then for radar, you pay two courses and lose a lot of time!
That seniority rule is really bad: the person with the highest seniority gets the highest job, all the time. Do you think it's good way to have the best people at the right place?
Seniority dates back from the years 1980. Times have changed! And ATC needs to change too, like airlines did. It's now a business. Look at NATS, AENA and DFS: they invest in other businesses, they still do an efficient work but they cut those kinds of useless costs. Like airline have been doing for the last 20 years!

- Salary: very relevant in the discussion because it's paid by everyone! You are a public service and as one of your colleague said: it is public (but nobody can find it :)
To avoid misunderstanding, 6300/6800€ after tax is for an ACC or APP controller and as explained in my post.
Any administrator can contact me to verify the amounts I wrote here, as long as the names on the salary slip are kept confidential.

Now let's see what comes up with the new proposals :D

Thanks for this discussion!

PS: my salary isn't really relevant but if you ask, it's exactly the same as a radar controller.

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Post by SR20 » 19 Mar 2019, 10:09

Not pleased, as I said !
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Re: Air traffic control service skeyes to strike in the evenings and nights of 12 & 13 March

Post by 737MAX » 19 Mar 2019, 10:39

SR20 wrote:
19 Mar 2019, 10:09
Not pleased, as I said !

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Looks like a typical day in summer time.
And I'm talking about the high delays due to ATC, not about the clear sky :lol:

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Post by luchtzak » 19 Mar 2019, 20:05

A0906/19
From:20 MAR 19 00:30 Till:20 MAR 19 02:45
Text:BRUSSELS ACC CLSD DUE TO STAFF SHORTAGE. EMERG FREQ ARE WATCHED

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Post by convair » 19 Mar 2019, 21:56

This Belgocontrol is a national disgrace! Time to put an end to that farce.

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luchtzak wrote:
19 Mar 2019, 20:05
A0906/19
From:20 MAR 19 00:30 Till:20 MAR 19 02:45
Text:BRUSSELS ACC CLSD DUE TO STAFF SHORTAGE. EMERG FREQ ARE WATCHED
Liege Airport (and the Belgian economy) will again be the main victims of this action (or lack thereof) :(
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SR20
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Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (former Belgocontrol)

Post by SR20 » 19 Mar 2019, 23:15

sn26567 wrote:
19 Mar 2019, 22:30
luchtzak wrote:
19 Mar 2019, 20:05
A0906/19
From:20 MAR 19 00:30 Till:20 MAR 19 02:45
Text:BRUSSELS ACC CLSD DUE TO STAFF SHORTAGE. EMERG FREQ ARE WATCHED
Liege Airport (and the Belgian economy) will again be the main victims of this action (or lack thereof) :(
If one looks closely, most of the planes are parked on the LGG apron during this time frame ! I don't think this is a coincidence !

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Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (former Belgocontrol)

Post by Desert Rat » 20 Mar 2019, 07:33

SR20 wrote:
19 Mar 2019, 23:15
sn26567 wrote:
19 Mar 2019, 22:30
luchtzak wrote:
19 Mar 2019, 20:05
A0906/19
From:20 MAR 19 00:30 Till:20 MAR 19 02:45
Text:BRUSSELS ACC CLSD DUE TO STAFF SHORTAGE. EMERG FREQ ARE WATCHED
Liege Airport (and the Belgian economy) will again be the main victims of this action (or lack thereof) :(
If one looks closely, most of the planes are parked on the LGG apron during this time frame ! I don't think this is a coincidence !
Of course it's not a coincidence!

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Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Post by 737MAX » 20 Mar 2019, 08:29

convair wrote:
19 Mar 2019, 21:56
This Belgocontrol is a national disgrace! Time to put an end to that farce.
What do you suggest, then?
A new management?
Fire them all?
Put the military instead?

:roll:

Be serious for a second. And read the previous long posts in this topic.

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Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Post by luchtzak » 20 Mar 2019, 09:13

Aerodromes

EBBR (Brussels)
Arrivals regulated with reduced rate due to ATC Industrial Action.
High delays.


Airspace

EBBU (Brussels)
Brussels airspace regulated due to ATC Industrial action until 1300 UTC.
High delays.


NMOC Brussels

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