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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by KriVa » 21 Jul 2019, 13:41

The Avro would be nicer in the 5-across layout. Flying on a 6-across Avro doesn't really seem like a great ride.
Then again, these are quite short flights, I don't think it matters that much to most people.
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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 21 Jul 2019, 14:07

PttU wrote:
21 Jul 2019, 12:31
sn26567 wrote:
21 Jul 2019, 12:12
Lufthansa currently wet-leases an Avro RJ85 from CityJet, which operates several rotations between Frankfurt and Brussels.

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/city ... d-leipzig/
The CityJet Avro RJ85 is configured in a dense 6-across layout. A change of comfort level for the regular Lufthansa passenger!
But the route is flown with CRJ-900 as well. Isn't the Avro better, more comfortable for passengers?
The Avro in the SN 5-abreast configuration was super-comfortable, but try to put an additional seat in a row, and it becomes a nightmare.
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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by jan_olieslagers » 21 Jul 2019, 14:14

I should think an ICE-train would be quite comfortable, too...

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by Passenger » 24 Jul 2019, 10:16

Carsten Spohr: hated and derided on this forum, but praised on another aviation community:

"...Spohr received the 2019 Executive Leadership Award to recognise his success in guiding the Lufthansa Group to a dominant position in its key home markets of Germany, Switzerland and Austria. Spohr and his team have achieved this in a tough market environment that saw rival Air Berlin collapse and a raft of competitive moves from other operators. Thanks to a long-term focus in Spohr’s planning, the group faces future challenges from a position of strength..."

(FlightGlobal Airline Strategy Awards, 14th July 2019).

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 24 Jul 2019, 10:41

Passenger wrote:
24 Jul 2019, 10:16
Carsten Spohr: hated and derided on this forum, but praised on another aviation community:

"...Spohr received the 2019 Executive Leadership Award to recognise his success in guiding the Lufthansa Group to a dominant position in its key home markets of Germany, Switzerland and Austria. Spohr and his team have achieved this in a tough market environment that saw rival Air Berlin collapse and a raft of competitive moves from other operators. Thanks to a long-term focus in Spohr’s planning, the group faces future challenges from a position of strength..."

(FlightGlobal Airline Strategy Awards, 14th July 2019).
Did the FlightGlobal Strategy Awards also recognise his leadership in being at the origin of the Eurowings disaster?
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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by Boeing767copilot » 20 Aug 2019, 12:45

Lufthansa-Chef will im Preiskampf mit Ryanair nicht weichen

https://www.handelsblatt.com/unternehme ... ke6ZsZ-ap3

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Lufthansa boss Carsten Spohr wants to offer budget airlines like Ryanair on the short distances despite the enormous pressure on prices. "We will not let ourselves be chased away in the home market by those who were accustomed to come, see and win," said Spohr on Monday evening to journalists in Frankfurt with a view to the Irish airline, the rivals by low prices from the market wants to push.

"We have the financial strength to keep up." At present, there is a worldwide unique price war on the short-haul route in Germany and Austria. "And we're in the middle of it." Hopefully, next year, that will not continue.

Germany's largest airline wants to compete with drastic cost reductions, especially in the subsidiary Eurowings in the competition, but had to cut off their annual forecast in June because of the weak business performance.

Especially small competitors remain in this environment on the track, most recently the Icelandic Wow Air, before that in Germany the airline Germania and 2017 Air Berlin. A consolidation of the aviation industry remains overdue and will accelerate by the noticeable weakening of the economy, explained Spohr. "We are well positioned for the increasing global consolidation in which we want to play a role and play a role."

Lufthansa had shown interest in the holiday airline Condor of the British travel group Thomas Cook, but the sales process was suspended. In Spohr's opinion, there will eventually be only about 12 true global carriers, apart from smaller airlines - "three in the US, three in China, three in the Gulf and three in Europe." Lufthansa will be one of them.

In the fight against climate change, the crane line also wants to make its contribution. Spohr sees the use of modern aircraft as the most important lever for reducing climate-damaging carbon dioxide emissions in aviation.

Thus, the CO2 emissions per passenger can be reduced by 25 percent. That's why Lufthansa is investing a lot of money here. Every two weeks, a new aircraft will be put into operation. Another ten percent less CO2 could be achieved through more efficient air traffic control.

Spohr pointed out that because of the required energy density, long-haul aircraft would still have to be run on kerosene in the long term. "The last drop of gasoline will flow through an aircraft engine," said the Lufthansa boss convinced. However, the flying kerosene could be synthetically produced if the corresponding climate-neutral primary energy was available.

Spohr again demanded improvements in air traffic control. The aviation tax should be used for research projects benefiting aviation. A national kerosene tax, which could easily be bypassed by the airlines, fortunately disappeared from the political discussion.

And also in Lepoint:
https://www.lepoint.fr/economie/il-n-y- ... 584_28.php

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by PttU » 20 Aug 2019, 16:27

Giving up Eurowings is a threat to Lufthansa itself as well. If some other company takes over Eurowings, or Eurowings stops and someone else takes over the flights, it will be a stronger competitor to LH than Eurowings was. So even if EW isn't profitable as-is, it might keep LH profitable.

Three global carriers in Europe: BA (or the IAG-group), AF-KLM and LH-group?

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by Stij » 20 Aug 2019, 16:39

PttU wrote:
20 Aug 2019, 16:27
Three global carriers in Europe: BA (or the IAG-group), AF-KLM and LH-group?
+ 3 LCC: Ryanair, Easyjet and Wizzair...
All the rest is will be niche players...

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by Ansett » 20 Aug 2019, 18:36

I presume that Air Dolomiti is making substantial profits since LH has invested 100M in them and the fleet will more than double. (Or are they just "something else" to LH ?).
I tried to find some financial info on them on the internet, but without success.
Does anybody know more about it ? Any explantions/clarifications are welcome. Thx

https://www.airlines.iata.org/ceo-inter ... r-dolomiti
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... its-fleet/

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by skymi » 20 Aug 2019, 19:16

Air Dolomiti has the same function like LH Cityline - feeder flights for Lufthansa. Thus, they don't need to make profits, they just need to be cheaper than LH Mainline.

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by Ansett » 21 Aug 2019, 11:09

OK. Thanks !

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 23 Aug 2019, 22:49

Lufthansa and Condor are discussing a possible codesharing deal that could help save both money on long haul routes.
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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 06 Sep 2019, 23:05

Air Namibia draws interest from South African Airways, Ethiopian Airlines and Lufthansa, who are interested in acquiring a sale in the carrier. Talks with Lufthansa are in progress. Namibia may hire a consultant, who will also assist with the potential termination of A330 leases.
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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by Ansett » 06 Sep 2019, 23:40

Is LH going to do what SR did ? Invest in loss making airlines ? (and turning one of the most powerful airline, like SR before they lost their minds, into a disastrous enterprise ?). Well, Namibia is a former German colony. Says a lot, no ?

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by sn-remember » 06 Sep 2019, 23:42

Stij wrote:
20 Aug 2019, 16:39
PttU wrote:
20 Aug 2019, 16:27
Three global carriers in Europe: BA (or the IAG-group), AF-KLM and LH-group?
+ 3 LCC: Ryanair, Easyjet and Wizzair...
All the rest is will be niche players...

Stij
Maybe ..
On the other hand you have a potential 4th global player which might result from the consolidation of the following Airlines under a single umbrella :
SAS+NAS+Finnair+LOT+AirBaltic = something big.
I know it won't happen but one can always dream ;-)

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by Passenger » 07 Sep 2019, 00:43

sn26567 wrote:
06 Sep 2019, 23:05
Air Namibia draws interest from South African Airways, Ethiopian Airlines and Lufthansa, who are interested in acquiring a sale in the carrier. Talks with Lufthansa are in progress. Namibia may hire a consultant, who will also assist with the potential termination of A330 leases.
The negociations about the A330 leases are not about replacing them by A350's or by Boeing aircraft: it's part of the closure of the airline. Which is the cheapest way out, the Namibian minister of Finance told the government.

"Interest from South African Airways" is a late April Fool joke. SAA itself is terminally ill too.

"Interest from Lufthansa" is a statement towards the Namibian tax payers: "yes, we give them another bail out, but we have a buyer".

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by sn-remember » 07 Sep 2019, 14:02

I am not sure they want to close the airline. Air Namibia is a tool to promote the country abroad and attract tourists. If it can run profitably (like Air Mauritius do) its' a double win. However they can afford some losses provide these are compensated by the tourists influx. The economy needs them.
I can imagine LH might operate the fra-wdh route some day in reponse to the flag carrier cancelling the flight. The problem with AirNamibia is that they are losing money on most s/hauls as well ...

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by Poiu » 07 Sep 2019, 17:58

sn-remember wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 14:02
If it can run profitably (like Air Mauritius do) its' a double win
OFF topic, but Air Mauritius is not profitable at all, the are in fact struggling to survive.

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by rwandan-flyer » 07 Sep 2019, 20:13

I am not sure they want to close the airline. Air Namibia is a tool to promote the country abroad and attract tourists. If it can run profitably (like Air Mauritius do) its' a double win. However they can afford some losses provide these are compensated by the tourists influx. The economy needs them.
I can imagine LH might operate the fra-wdh route some day in reponse to the flag carrier cancelling the flight. The problem with AirNamibia is that they are losing money on most s/hauls as well ...
Eurowings will operate this route, from late 2019, replacing the Munich-Windhoek. Air Berlin has operated Munich-Windhoek, in the past.

With the recent growth of tourism, some international airlines have opened services to Namibia: Ethiopian Airlines, KLM and Qatar Airways

Namibia is one youngest country, in the world. It gained independence in 1990, from South Africa. Tourism started to grow in 2000s, before tourism industry was low.

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by sn-remember » 08 Sep 2019, 00:22

@Poiu
OFF topic . As an aside about MK, here is an overview of the airline's results over the 12 previous years. Not contesting they are struggling but certainly not an economic basket case either. 2016, 2017, 2018 were good years for them. 2019 is bad. But they proved they are capable to survive in a very competitive environment.
Diagram from wiki :
mk results.jpg

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