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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 08 Jul 2019, 21:59

Thanks for these lessons in aerodynamics! The article wanted only to compare the performance of Spohr with the one of an aircraft close to a stall...
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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 15 Jul 2019, 21:24

Lufthansa CEO Carsten Spohr warns of a drastic drop in its operations at Zurich airport if further restrictions at the hub were to continue.
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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 16 Jul 2019, 21:28

Lufthansa chief executive Carsten Spohr (the man of the Eurowings debacle) says Ryanair is “irresponsible” for charging less than €10 for tickets on certain German routes while adding the airline won’t be pushed out of its home market. That remains to be seen!
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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 17 Jul 2019, 08:10

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Lufthansa chief executive Carsten Spohr (the man of the Eurowings debacle) says Ryanair is “irresponsible” for charging less than €10 for tickets on certain German routes while adding the airline won’t be pushed out of its home market. That remains to be seen!
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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by Passenger » 17 Jul 2019, 12:49

sn26567 wrote:
16 Jul 2019, 21:28
Lufthansa chief executive Carsten Spohr (the man of the Eurowings debacle) says Ryanair is “irresponsible” for charging less than €10 for tickets on certain German routes while adding the airline won’t be pushed out of its home market. That remains to be seen!
Unfortunately, the above quote is not what Carsten Spohr said about those 10 € tickets. Actually, if one reads what he really said, one can only agree with him:
https://nzzas.nzz.ch/wirtschaft/lufthan ... ld.1495780

The quote is taken out of context from a very long interview Neue Zürcher Zeitung am Sonndag had with him about aviation pollution, CO² emissions, aviation taxes etc. The real quote is this (translated via Translate.Google): These ultra-low-priced offerings make our industry a target for criticism. And at the same time it clogs the airspace, stimulating an artificial demand that would not exist at realistic prices. Flights for less than ten € should not exist.

In German - quoted from the interview:
Question: Kompensieren die Fluggäste wenigstens vermehrt ihre Emissionen?
Spohr: Bisher zahlten weniger als ein Prozent der Passagiere freiwillig an Organisationen, die den CO2-Ausstoss kompensieren. Wir integrieren gerade gruppenweit diese Möglichkeit sichtbarer in den Buchungsprozess, damit mehr Fluggäste sie auch nutzen. Wir tun das übrigens schon für alle unsere Mitarbeiter weltweit. Sie argumentieren wie alle Branchenvertreter mit dem sinkenden CO2-Ausstoss pro Person. Das Mengenwachstum der Branche macht den Effekt aber zunichte. Insgesamt wachsen die von den Flotten ausgestossenen Klimagase. Die Emissionen nehmen in der Tat absolut zu, aber sie steigen stark unterproportional zum Wachstum. Wenn wir jetzt aus unserer mitteleuropäischen Sicht einen Flugverzicht verlangen, dann fordern wir auch von Menschen in Schwellenländern einen Verzicht auf die Chance, die Welt zu entdecken. Das wird nicht gelingen. Im Gegenteil: Dort findet in den kommenden Jahren der grösste Wachstumsschub statt.

Question: Auch hierzulande nimmt das Fliegen massiv zu. Es gibt Billigangebote in Hülle und Fülle?
Spohr: Richtig. Insgesamt haben wir in Europa zu viel Kapazitäten im Markt. Insgesamt haben wir in Europa zu viel Kapazitäten im Markt die häufig zu Spottpreisen verhökert werden. Wettbewerber arbeiten tatsächlich teilweise mit Preisen pro Flug unter zehn €. Das ist ökonomisch, ökologisch und auch politisch unverantwortlich.

Question: Dann sagen Sie selbst, fliegen sei zu billig?
Spohr: Am untersten Ende - ja. Denn diese Ultra-Billigangebote machen unsere Branche zur Zielscheibe für Kritik. Und gleichzeitig wird damit der Luftraum verstopft, weil eine künstliche Nachfrage stimuliert wird, die es zu realistischen Preisen nicht gäbe. Flüge für unter zehn € dürfte es nicht geben.

Question: Eurowings, die Billigairline der Lufthansa-Gruppe, bietet auch Trips für unter 35 € an. Das ist nicht viel teurer?
Spohr: Weil wir unsere Heimatmärkte verteidigen müssen, können wir uns dem nicht vollständig entziehen. Von den Extremen abgesehen, haben günstige Tickets die Demokratisierung des Fliegens aber für breite Schichten der Bevölkerung erst ermöglicht.

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by Ansett » 17 Jul 2019, 19:52

CS is right, of course, but he would not have said that if EW had been a success. Now, he's trying to fight mainly Ryanair in a different way.

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by lumumba » 17 Jul 2019, 19:55

That's exactly why we need to tax Airlines tickets!
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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by 737MAX » 17 Jul 2019, 20:06

lumumba wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 19:55
That's exactly why we need to tax Airlines tickets!
To have fares at 12€ iso 10€?
Pffffff...

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by lumumba » 17 Jul 2019, 21:07

737MAX wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 20:06
lumumba wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 19:55
That's exactly why we need to tax Airlines tickets!
To have fares at 12€ iso 10€?
Pffffff...
So anyway it's no big deal!
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by Passenger » 17 Jul 2019, 21:16

lumumba wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 19:55
That's exactly why we need to tax Airlines tickets!
Less then one procent of air travellers pay voluntary for a compensation of their CO² emission. Are you one of them?

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by Ansett » 17 Jul 2019, 21:33

Actually, I pay for the voluntary compensation of CO² emissions when it is possible. However, what upsets me it, is that , for instance, an airline like KLM, did not refund this amount when I cancelled my ticket (let alone the additional fees for seat selection etc...).

Anyway, at the risk of attrackting the anger of most of the members on this Forum, I think that on account of the current climate situation, no airline ticket within Europe should be sold for less than 100 euros one way + (real) taxes.

As already said before, it is not normal that you can fly to a city in Europe for less than a train ticket to the Belgian coast or the Ardennes, or even Paris or Amsterdam.

However, the airline sector should not only be targetted, the cruise industry, for instance, is probably as much, if not more, a polluter than the airlines.

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by lumumba » 17 Jul 2019, 21:50

Passenger wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 21:16
lumumba wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 19:55
That's exactly why we need to tax Airlines tickets!
Less then one procent of air travellers pay voluntary for a compensation of their CO² emission. Are you one of them?
I didn't it was possible!
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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by 737MAX » 17 Jul 2019, 21:56

lumumba wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 21:07
737MAX wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 20:06
lumumba wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 19:55
That's exactly why we need to tax Airlines tickets!
To have fares at 12€ iso 10€?
Pffffff...
So anyway it's no big deal!
Well yes that's exactly my point.
Why are you in favor of a "so anyway it's no big deal" tax ??? :shock:
Nothing will change with "no big deal taxes".

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by lumumba » 17 Jul 2019, 21:57

737MAX wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 21:56
lumumba wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 21:07
737MAX wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 20:06


To have fares at 12€ iso 10€?
Pffffff...
So anyway it's no big deal!
Well yes that's exactly my point.
Why are you in favor of a "so anyway it's no big deal" tax ??? :shock:
Nothing will change with "no big deal taxes".
I mean it's no big deal for the passenger but it will create an amount to invest in new technologies etc....
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by Jetter » 17 Jul 2019, 22:20

737MAX wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 21:56
lumumba wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 21:07
737MAX wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 20:06


To have fares at 12€ iso 10€?
Pffffff...
So anyway it's no big deal!
Well yes that's exactly my point.
Why are you in favor of a "so anyway it's no big deal" tax ??? :shock:
Nothing will change with "no big deal taxes".
That's wrong, there is no magical point where taxes have an influence. A low tax will have a little influence and a high tax a lot. If it was true that a few euro's would't change consumer behavior I'm sure airlines would already have increased the price of their tickets by that amount.

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by cathay belgium » 17 Jul 2019, 22:29

Hi,

Maybe fair or not.. start taxing flight tickets and you loose a LOT of jobs,
LCC airlines will go bust and flying will be again only for the rich ...

Will you save the climate... NOPE...

As airtraffic is just a very small piece of the climate cake ! 3 percent..

Next COWS and their farts, energy industries... on what exhausts will your electric car drive anyway ?
CARBON fuels or NUCLEAR ?? Forget sun and wind if we go all this way...

Anyone travelled to Poland/China/Brasil/Asia-Africa ?
Are they starting the climate fight...

If not , it is just a drop..

I don't say nothing must change but if you change something I hope it will have a result and not only of making us in europe less happy and more poor, because that is what the result will be at this point..

AIRTRAFFIC IS an EASY target to gain votes for... but electric power - farm industry is a bigger lobby to fight !

IMHO...

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by lumumba » 18 Jul 2019, 02:51

cathay belgium wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 22:29
Hi,

Maybe fair or not.. start taxing flight tickets and you loose a LOT of jobs,
LCC airlines will go bust and flying will be again only for the rich ...

Will you save the climate... NOPE...

As airtraffic is just a very small piece of the climate cake ! 3 percent..

Next COWS and their farts, energy industries... on what exhausts will your electric car drive anyway ?
CARBON fuels or NUCLEAR ?? Forget sun and wind if we go all this way...

Anyone travelled to Poland/China/Brasil/Asia-Africa ?
Are they starting the climate fight...

If not , it is just a drop..

I don't say nothing must change but if you change something I hope it will have a result and not only of making us in europe less happy and more poor, because that is what the result will be at this point..

AIRTRAFFIC IS an EASY target to gain votes for... but electric power - farm industry is a bigger lobby to fight !

IMHO...

CXB
I don't remember but somebody here on the forum proposed to tax the jet fuel like everything else that could be a good idea and equal to other industries instead of a tax it will bring also much more money.
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by PttU » 18 Jul 2019, 07:15

Jetter wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 22:20
737MAX wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 21:56
lumumba wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 21:07

So anyway it's no big deal!
Well yes that's exactly my point.
Why are you in favor of a "so anyway it's no big deal" tax ??? :shock:
Nothing will change with "no big deal taxes".
That's wrong, there is no magical point where taxes have an influence. A low tax will have a little influence and a high tax a lot. If it was true that a few euro's would't change consumer behavior I'm sure airlines would already have increased the price of their tickets by that amount.
A few euro's don't change consumer behaviour, but what matters is who's cheapest, even by a few euro's. And that's where competition comes into play: if they should all agree to increase the price by a few euro's, that wouldn't make a difference in consumer behaviour, but one player isn't going to add those euro's when the other players aren't, as that will drive consumers to the player with the lowest prices. But a general tax creates a level playing field: it's (about) the same for everyone. (Depending on the base of the tax, type of aircraft,...)

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 21 Jul 2019, 12:12

Lufthansa currently wet-leases an Avro RJ85 from CityJet, which operates several rotations between Frankfurt and Brussels.

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/city ... d-leipzig/
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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by PttU » 21 Jul 2019, 12:31

sn26567 wrote:
21 Jul 2019, 12:12
Lufthansa currently wet-leases an Avro RJ85 from CityJet, which operates several rotations between Frankfurt and Brussels.

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/city ... d-leipzig/
The CityJet Avro RJ85 is configured in a dense 6-across layout. A change of comfort level for the regular Lufthansa passenger!
But the route is flown with CRJ-900 as well. Isn't the Avro better, more comfortable for passengers?

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