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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by Passenger » 21 May 2019, 16:06

Martinique, how nice it is as holiday destination, is no destination for a Belgian stand alone carrier. They need collaboration with specialized touroperators to offer holiday deals and cruises packages, and no one is interested in an adventure with them, given their triple Hong Kong fiasco and their uncertain financial situation.

On top, it's the reverse way of doing business for such destinations. It could work when a touroperator has decided to go for it, and then looks for flights (TUI, Thomas Cook, Travelworld, Cruise Connection, ...)

The only reason why they bring this as news: "shareholders, have faith in us, we are really working on new destinations".

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by FLYAIR10 » 22 May 2019, 22:13

A trip report WAW-JFK in a Air Belgium A340 for LOT.

https://flight-report.com/en/report/404 ... w-york-jfk

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by theeuropean » 28 May 2019, 11:06

sounilr21 wrote:
16 May 2019, 11:31
TLspotting wrote:
14 May 2019, 08:32
brusselsairlinesfan wrote:
12 May 2019, 00:35
After the diseaperance of SN into EW, Air Belgium will certainly become the last belgian carrier... wish ‘em good luck and my support !
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... gs-livery/
sounilr21 wrote:
12 May 2019, 14:56
Air Belgium it's a joke !

We are in may, and the summer peak begin next month. And we have no more information about the next destinations offered.

It's sad to watch no more development from this airlines and commercials spots the find news customers (other that U-tour, ...).

Why not :
Boston or Philadelphia ;
Chicago ;
Miami ;
Montreal or maybe New York ;
Bangkok.
Unfortunately,they said Zhengzhou was for Spring, but the end is in 38 days, I don't see when they will launch it but there will be no Belgian on board because they already booked their holidays...

There has been no TV Commercial, but many ads through Belgium.

About America, AB clearly said it was for Winter 19-20.

China was firstly chosen due to its shareholders, nearly the half of it is Chinese...
Boavida wrote:
13 May 2019, 12:31
I'm afraid the whole business plan of Air Belgium has turned out to be a failure. They want to be a low-cost airline in a situation where Belgium is already invaded by numerous low-cost airlines, and with our "national carrier" being transformed into a low-cost also... Secondly, they chose to fly long haul to some Chinese cities from CRL instead of BRU.

With SN gone in the coming year(s), they should present themselves as the new flag carrier, full-service quality airline to Brussels, home of numerous international institutions and the second biggest diplomat city in the world. There must be a market for this.

Maybe in a partnership with a Gulf carrier? Why not?
They didn't start from BRU as AB knew CX was going to launch its route so the solution was to avoid BRU and fly from CRL, on the same route...

AB should be the next flagship airline but unfortunately we see them more at WAW, LHR, DXB, JFK, EWR,... rather than BRU or CRL...

The partnership of a Gulf carrier... Emirates is useless, Qatar is now Oneworld and they can codeshare with Air Italy... Etihad, AB will say no. Gulf Air and Kuwait Airways are the only solutions there ?

I think AB left HKG as they didn't see any development to come. Cathay Airways, ex Dragonair and HKexpress are now property of Cathay Pacific. HK Airlines is property of HNA Group, which flies from Brussels to Shenzhen, Beijing, Shanghai Pudong via Hainan Airlines.
JOVAN wrote:
13 May 2019, 22:13
I overheard some conversation about this.

QATAR AIRWAYS is a candidate to operate Transatlantic from BRU .
BRU is their first choice because of unique location, available capacity, enormous catchmen area and relatively few flights to US, CND etc.
QR also not keen to fight with KL & AF in their homebase. They know that NL and F governements will never allow their airlines and airports to 'surrender§ to a ME airline.
In Belgium it is another story, with a high degree of incompetence in all political levels.
But the market is still available.. Primera Air failed... Norwegian is still in the air but wondering for how long.

BRU is a market but no one dares to fly from there, that's why we think we are the middle of nowhere...
Yes the US (probably) destinations would be launched for this winter. But it's my opinion to open booking most early if possible in the belgian market to find belgians customers (and maybe french, dutch or german) with a large commercial campaing.

But i'm skeptical for this opportunity because the "commercial war" beetween US and China could compromise development. And so, Air Belgium have a half part of Chineses funds.


it's cloudy sky to Air Belgium. No dark, no sunny just difficult on this climate. Hopefull.
Any news on Qatar, or when we should expect an announcement?

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 28 May 2019, 13:08

The new Belgian carrier is going to fly for the LH-TK joint venture airline, SunExpress, between 31 May 2019 and 8 June 2019, from Germany/Switzerland to Antalya :

The list is not complete, due to missing info in SunExpress booking system.

31 May 2019 :

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XQ155 STR - AYT 16:40 - 20:55 A343 ----5-- 31/05/2019
1 June 2019 :

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XQ110 AYT - BSL 06:10 - 08:50 A343 -----6- 01/06/2019
XQ111 BSL - AYT 10:05 - 14:25 A343 -----6- 01/06/2019
XQ120 AYT - ZRH 15:45 - 18:20 A343 -----6- 01/06/2019
XQ121 ZRH - AYT 19:30 - 23:50 A343 -----6- 01/06/2019
2 June 2019 :

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XQ182 AYT - DUS 09:40 - 12:40 A343 ------7 02/06/2019
7 June 2019 :

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XQ131 MUC - AYT 13:10 - 17:15 A343 ----5-- 07/06/2019
XQ232 AYT - HAJ 23:35 - 02:25+1 A343 ----5-- 07/06/2019
8 June 2019 :

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XQ233 HAJ - AYT 03:50 - 08:20 A343 -----6- 08/06/2019
XQ181 DUS - AYT 15:00 - 19:10 A343 -----6- 08/06/2019
(Via Airlineroute for the initial info)

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 29 May 2019, 23:18

AB to fly for BA to Cairo as from 18 August 2019 until 31 October 2019 : https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/air- ... h-airways/

And another news :

Philippe Wilmart appointed Chief Commercial Officer of Air Belgium
Mr Wilmart becomes responsible for all commercial, marketing and customer services related activities of the Company.

Mr Wilmart studied Law in Belgium and graduated in International Management from the Krauthammer school in Paris, France. In his professional career, he gained early airline experience with SABENA as Area Director, and later with Marseille Provence Airport as Marketing and Communication Director. Next, he took on the role of CCO of an airline in Switzerland before becoming Head of Global Transport at voyageprive.com. Most recently, he completed an assignment of several years as Director of International Development with Misterfly, based in Spain.

Niky Terzakis, CEO of Air Belgium: “Philippe is well-suited for the role to take us forward with a refined business, sales and marketing strategy. He will have a specific focus on e-commerce, B2B and B2C. I am very pleased to have Philippe join our great senior management team. Philippe is known for being results-driven and for his pragmatism.”
https://www.airbelgium.com/en/press/phi ... ir-belgium

I had echoes on SunExpress contract but it seems to be cancelled.
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by ZavCity » 30 May 2019, 16:14

Are you sure the XQ contract is cancelled.A friend in France writes me the A340 is scheduled toFrance on June 8(ORY/LYS??)
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 30 May 2019, 16:24

ZavCity wrote:
30 May 2019, 16:14
Are you sure the XQ contract is cancelled.A friend in France writes me the A340 is scheduled toFrance on June 8(ORY/LYS??)
gtz
paul
I have no info about.
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 03 Jun 2019, 15:57

Air Belgium launched their own ops exactly one year ago...

No info coming...
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 04 Jun 2019, 10:32

Marieke Caes of LVTPR doesn't want to make any communication about SunExpress or ACMI contracts.
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by ZavCity » 04 Jun 2019, 12:28

Hi
Obviously they did not succeed in obtaining it..Seems Wamos is flying(as it was last sunday in DUS!)for XQ..
gtz
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 04 Jun 2019, 23:13

OO-ABE AOG at Warsaw. Didn't operate LO26 and 27.

Previous LO26 flights had a delay of at least a hour, and on LO27 at least 2 hours...
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 05 Jun 2019, 21:44

Sunexpress contract has been cancelled, being replaced by Boeing 747-400 of Wamos.
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 06 Jun 2019, 14:43

AB launched one year ago, its inaugural flight to Hong Kong.
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 09 Jun 2019, 17:07

AB flying for the first time to Canada, Toronto for BA.
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 14 Jun 2019, 21:39

14 June 2019...

My own sources say they are still busy, working on Chinese destinations.

But summer is in 7 days...

"As for further development of its own. Air Belgium is preparing to serve two destinations in mainland China from Brussels-Charleroi this summer." - This was the press release, exactly 3 months ago.

Everyone booked their tickets for this summer, so it is not the moment to launch this kind of routes.

As confirmed AB contract for SunExpress cancelled, no one in sight.

OO-ABA is at Charleroi for 1 month and a half
OO-ABB is at Charleroi for a few days
OO-ABD is between Warsaw, New York and Rzeszów for LOT
OO-ABE is between Toronto and Heathrow for BA.
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 18 Jun 2019, 21:02

British Airways extended the lease of Air Belgium A340-300 until 31 October 2019, operating London Heathrow – Cairo route due to the grounded Boeing 787-8.
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 24 Jun 2019, 17:31

OO-ABA is currently heading to Amman, before C-Check.

It hadn't flown for ~ 2 months.
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by BrightCedars » 26 Jun 2019, 10:14

Could it be that the runway length at CRL is such a limiting factor that AB had to resort to this ACMI business to keep alive until they can spread their wings far and wide from their homebase? If they are in for the long run it makes perfect sense. Once the runway is lengthened they can then launch all kinds of destinations around the worldin Africa, the Americas & Asia. Time will tell.

Also, A321XLR based at CRL would be a nice combo to take this point to point airport some range circles further.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by theeuropean » 27 Jun 2019, 14:24

JOVAN wrote:
13 May 2019, 22:13
Boavida wrote:
13 May 2019, 12:31
I'm afraid the whole business plan of Air Belgium has turned out to be a failure. They want to be a low-cost airline in a situation where Belgium is already invaded by numerous low-cost airlines, and with our "national carrier" being transformed into a low-cost also... Secondly, they chose to fly long haul to some Chinese cities from CRL instead of BRU.

With SN gone in the coming year(s), they should present themselves as the new flag carrier, full-service quality airline to Brussels, home of numerous international institutions and the second biggest diplomat city in the world. There must be a market for this.

Maybe in a partnership with a Gulf carrier? Why not?
I overheard some conversation about this.

QATAR AIRWAYS is a candidate to operate Transatlantic from BRU .
BRU is their first choice because of unique location, available capacity, enormous catchmen area and relatively few flights to US, CND etc.
QR also not keen to fight with KL & AF in their homebase. They know that NL and F governements will never allow their airlines and airports to 'surrender§ to a ME airline.
In Belgium it is another story, with a high degree of incompetence in all political levels.
Is this just a rumor or is there actual substance to it? If yes, any updates?

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