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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by RoMax » 09 Nov 2019, 19:33

CTBke wrote:
09 Nov 2019, 13:01
not sure how long OS will keep that service as they're also in Reboot now... little by little complimentary inflight service will dissapear while pushing flexibility and priority boarding forward (exactly like the LCC are offering already)
The most profitable airline group in Europe (IAG, in case someone wouldn't know) has buy-on-board catering on all of its intra-EU services (Vueling and Level obviously, as well as Aer Lingus which is the most comparable with SN, but also BA and IB) unless when you fly in Business on IB/BA/EI (in case of EI it's a complimentary snack/drink from their BOB menu, same as EW - except on the few flights served by the new A321LR's).
They don't make the difference on short haul Economy catering because it's not a major decisive factor in people's decision making.

I'm more than convinced that airlines like OS will not continue with free catering for all (on short haul) for long.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by DeltaWiskey » 09 Nov 2019, 21:22

It's not only SN that makes some adjustments to its meal offering: https://onemileatatime.com/lufthansa-re ... l-service/

It's been previously said on this forum the LH, LX, OS and SN are streamlining their offer, among synergies and other benefits, this will also enable SN flights to be sold on the website of LH, LX and OS. Which in the end is a good thing.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by AIRMARSHAL » 10 Nov 2019, 00:41

b720 wrote:
09 Nov 2019, 11:20
Service on business is also reduced dramatically..
That was the case already a few months back...
Problems is that business tickets within Europe can cost around EUR 1000.
I think that it is scandalous that one needs to pay for water after having spent almost 600 EUR for a 50 min flight
On flex&fast..
what's another 3 euro for water, if you can afford 600 euro for a very short flight

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by b720 » 10 Nov 2019, 07:40

AIRMARSHAL wrote:
10 Nov 2019, 00:41
b720 wrote:
09 Nov 2019, 11:20
Service on business is also reduced dramatically..
That was the case already a few months back...
Problems is that business tickets within Europe can cost around EUR 1000.
I think that it is scandalous that one needs to pay for water after having spent almost 600 EUR for a 50 min flight
On flex&fast..
what's another 3 euro for water, if you can afford 600 euro for a very short flight
It’s like going to a coffee house, paying paying EUR 15
For a regular (almost mediocre) espresso.. and still being charged 1 EUR for sugar and another for milk!
Not a good feeling! It is all about the principle..

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by nordikcam » 10 Nov 2019, 10:09

b720 wrote:
10 Nov 2019, 07:40
AIRMARSHAL wrote:
10 Nov 2019, 00:41
b720 wrote:
09 Nov 2019, 11:20
Service on business is also reduced dramatically..
That was the case already a few months back...
Problems is that business tickets within Europe can cost around EUR 1000.
I think that it is scandalous that one needs to pay for water after having spent almost 600 EUR for a 50 min flight
On flex&fast..
what's another 3 euro for water, if you can afford 600 euro for a very short flight
It’s like going to a coffee house, paying paying EUR 15
For a regular (almost mediocre) espresso.. and still being charged 1 EUR for sugar and another for milk!
Not a good feeling! It is all about the principle..
In fact nothing to do with the recent BRU MAD with KLM that I made ... a water and a waffle on AMS and a small bottle of wine and a dish of cold pasta but good on MAD ... all for free in eco class. In short ... perfect!

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by b720 » 10 Nov 2019, 10:56

nordikcam wrote:
10 Nov 2019, 10:09
b720 wrote:
10 Nov 2019, 07:40
AIRMARSHAL wrote:
10 Nov 2019, 00:41


what's another 3 euro for water, if you can afford 600 euro for a very short flight
It’s like going to a coffee house, paying paying EUR 15
For a regular (almost mediocre) espresso.. and still being charged 1 EUR for sugar and another for milk!
Not a good feeling! It is all about the principle..
In fact nothing to do with the recent BRU MAD with KLM that I made ... a water and a waffle on AMS and a small bottle of wine and a dish of cold pasta but good on MAD ... all for free in eco class. In short ... perfect!
And KLM makes money.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by cathay belgium » 10 Nov 2019, 11:53

Hi,

Just think of ... they decide that Belgium is the perfect symbiose of French and dutch speakers.. and AF/KLM set up a small child of them here ,let's call it Air Brussel....
A bunch of embraers and B737 ... And a morning A333 for a nice connection in AMS...
Or Emirates , Norwegian to JFK-BOS...

Guess BRU has a lot of opportunities to grow, but maybe we are all wrong as nothing of all this is happening ...
Why ?
LH let SN shrink.. we see a new Wizzair landing in BRU after Ryanair... Next Norwegian ? Why aren't they here yet ? Easy expands Berlin ,...
SN is opening the gap ... to give more away...
Reducing to make progress is just a false fantasy ...
If you want to compete with others you don't turn your back home ....
And all this news don't bring much convidence to the customer... Together with reducing the service level...
Don't see much growth in the future...

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by b720 » 10 Nov 2019, 12:37

cathay belgium wrote:
10 Nov 2019, 11:53
Hi,

Just think of ... they decide that Belgium is the perfect symbiose of French and dutch speakers.. and AF/KLM set up a small child of them here ,let's call it Air Brussel....
A bunch of embraers and B737 ... And a morning A333 for a nice connection in AMS...
Or Emirates , Norwegian to JFK-BOS...

Guess BRU has a lot of opportunities to grow, but maybe we are all wrong as nothing of all this is happening ...
Why ?
LH let SN shrink.. we see a new Wizzair landing in BRU after Ryanair... Next Norwegian ? Why aren't they here yet ? Easy expands Berlin ,...
SN is opening the gap ... to give more away...
Reducing to make progress is just a false fantasy ...
If you want to compete with others you don't turn your back home ....
And all this news don't bring much convidence to the customer... Together with reducing the service level...
Don't see much growth in the future...

CXB
I think that the biggest issue here is the extremely high cost of labour in Belgium. Specifically taxes and social contributions by the employer.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by nordikcam » 10 Nov 2019, 13:05

Still no news on the future of the long haul EW operated by aircraft registered in Belgium?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Airbus330lover » 10 Nov 2019, 14:38

cathay belgium wrote:
10 Nov 2019, 11:53
Hi,

Just think of ... they decide that Belgium is the perfect symbiose of French and dutch speakers.. and AF/KLM set up a small child of them here ,let's call it Air Brussel....
A bunch of embraers and B737 ... And a morning A333 for a nice connection in AMS...
Or Emirates , Norwegian to JFK-BOS...

Guess BRU has a lot of opportunities to grow, but maybe we are all wrong as nothing of all this is happening ...
Why ?
LH let SN shrink.. we see a new Wizzair landing in BRU after Ryanair... Next Norwegian ? Why aren't they here yet ? Easy expands Berlin ,...
SN is opening the gap ... to give more away...
Reducing to make progress is just a false fantasy ...
If you want to compete with others you don't turn your back home ....
And all this news don't bring much convidence to the customer... Together with reducing the service level...
Don't see much growth in the future...

CXB
you have a point ;)

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by DeltaWiskey » 10 Nov 2019, 22:50

nordikcam wrote:
10 Nov 2019, 13:05
Still no news on the future of the long haul EW operated by aircraft registered in Belgium?
As from 1 January, LH will sell the flights, EW will concentrate on EU short haul. (This is already known for a long time.)
For SN, the operator of the flights, nothing will change.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Ansett » 11 Nov 2019, 17:06

Cathay Belgium definitely has a point.
However, I don't think AF/KL would be interested in setting up another hub at BRU. Perhaps KL if they really cannot grow anymore at AMS (perhaps !).
If ever there is a Brexit, I'd rather see BA set up a (small) hub at BRU.

As for the rest, reducing service is never the best option. One must give in order to receive. It's a give-and-take process. You need to know how to give to get.
The closer you look like a LCC, the more likely it is you will loose customers to LCCs.

Generosity usually pays. If you're clever, even if you have to make savings, you will at least offer water, coffee and tea and a biscuit (speculoos) for free. In addition, you can still sell food and other drinks.
I think it is or was the SAS concept.

As to costs of operating an airline in Belgium, costs in general are also very high in the Nordic countries and in Switzerland. Despite the high-cost in CH, LX manages to make a profit. Because LH is pampering them (with brand new aircraft, for instance) ?

As to the high cost of Business class tickets in Europe, my opinion fwiw is that airlines which charge huge fares for these C tickets, don't want the "hassle" (?) of having to deal with a few C class pax.
Coming back to LX, they often have "cheap" or "cheaper" C class tickets which come with restrictions.
The LX business model must be pretty good, given their financial performance.

I don't want to sound like a prophet of doom, but if ever there is (and it seems there will be) some kind of ecotax or tax on kerosene, many weak airlines will disappear. FR can afford the extra taxes, they will just have less dividends for their shareholders.

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