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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

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convair wrote:
15 May 2019, 18:31
Passenger wrote:
15 May 2019, 12:51
Actually, with Lufthansa controlling BRU’s main carrier, Lufthansa avoids competition on their very busy and very high yield routes BRU-FRA and BRU-MUC.
Are you sure about that? Usually, airlines offer a very good deal to connecting pax, to the point that the "feeding" leg doesn't bring much money, if any. e.g. AF long haul flights are often cheaper from BRU than from CDG.
Indeed for connecting passengers, but point-to-point passengers are ripped off on these routes.
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sn26567 wrote:
15 May 2019, 20:19
convair wrote:
15 May 2019, 18:31
Passenger wrote:
15 May 2019, 12:51
Actually, with Lufthansa controlling BRU’s main carrier, Lufthansa avoids competition on their very busy and very high yield routes BRU-FRA and BRU-MUC.
Are you sure about that? Usually, airlines offer a very good deal to connecting pax, to the point that the "feeding" leg doesn't bring much money, if any. e.g. AF long haul flights are often cheaper from BRU than from CDG.
Indeed for connecting passengers, but point-to-point passengers are ripped off on these routes.
Absolutely!
Therefore, it would be interesting to know the split; moreover, maybe LCCs should have a close look at these 2 routes/opportunities for the ptp pax.

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convair wrote:
15 May 2019, 22:27
... moreover, maybe LCCs should have a close look at these 2 routes/opportunities for the ptp pax.
Hummm a low cost operating in BRU ? Eurowings ? ;)

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nordikcam wrote:
15 May 2019, 22:40
convair wrote:
15 May 2019, 22:27
... moreover, maybe LCCs should have a close look at these 2 routes/opportunities for the ptp pax.
Hummm a low cost operating in BRU ? Eurowings ? ;)
We've got a winner!

Transavia flew in 2015 I think or maybe later from Munich to Brussels, with 3 flights per week if I remind well. They left BRU since. But frequency was really poor next to the +- 46 flights per week...
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convair wrote:
15 May 2019, 22:27
Therefore, it would be interesting to know the split; moreover, maybe LCCs should have a close look at these 2 routes/opportunities for the ptp pax.
Frankfurt and Munich are no tourism destinations - contrary to Berlin. Point to point traffic thus is almost limited to a business clientele, and they don't like LCC's because they need flexible tickets. Hence LCC's abstain.

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TLspotting wrote:
15 May 2019, 22:50
nordikcam wrote:
15 May 2019, 22:40
convair wrote:
15 May 2019, 22:27
... moreover, maybe LCCs should have a close look at these 2 routes/opportunities for the ptp pax.
Hummm a low cost operating in BRU ? Eurowings ? ;)
We've got a winner!

Transavia flew in 2015 I think or maybe later from Munich to Brussels, with 3 flights per week if I remind well. They left BRU since. But frequency was really poor next to the +- 46 flights per week...
I think they were planning to fly between the two cities... Don't think they did as they closed their Munich base

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TLspotting wrote:
15 May 2019, 22:50

Transavia flew in 2015 I think or maybe later from Munich to Brussels, with 3 flights per week if I remind well. They left BRU since. But frequency was really poor next to the +- 46 flights per week...
Transavia had scheduled twice-daily flights from a new base in Munich. I even booked a daily return with them. And then there was 22 March. The flights never took off and I was reimbursed. A few months later Transavia closed its Munich base. Difficult to compete with almighty Lufthansa.
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Passenger wrote:
15 May 2019, 23:39
convair wrote:
15 May 2019, 22:27
Therefore, it would be interesting to know the split; moreover, maybe LCCs should have a close look at these 2 routes/opportunities for the ptp pax.
Frankfurt and Munich are no tourism destinations - contrary to Berlin. Point to point traffic thus is almost limited to a business clientele, and they don't like LCC's because they need flexible tickets. Hence LCC's abstain.
You're right, but when I mentioned the split, I meant connecting vs ptp in order to evaluate the size of the cake.
Some bold airline might be tempted to try and carve itself a good slice.

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Time to merge this topic with Eurowings in 2019, no?!

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brusselsairlinesfan wrote:
16 May 2019, 19:55
Time to merge this topic with Eurowings in 2019, no?!
:D That would make sense. Or even better, have two EuroWings topics: one for EuroWings in Belgium and one for their operations abroad.

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brusselsairlinesfan wrote:
16 May 2019, 19:55
Time to merge this topic with Eurowings in 2019, no?!
Just a minute, please. The AOCs are not going to be merged any time soon!
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Brussels Airlines stopped flying to Sal in Cape Verde?

Also they seem to stop flying to Ohrid in North-Macedonia halfway august

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Sal, Cape Verde is a winter season destination only.

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sonic boom wrote:
25 May 2019, 09:14
Brussels Airlines stopped flying to Sal in Cape Verde?

Also they seem to stop flying to Ohrid in North-Macedonia halfway august
Normally the last flight to OHD is on the 26th of August
But in the GDS I see indeed the last flight on the 16th of August.

BVC will be cancelled in winter and SID will be two times per week in winter 2019!
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In an interview with Forbes, Carsten Spohr hints at maintaining a hub function for Brussels for intercontinental traffic: "With intercontinental hubs in Frankfurt, Munich, Zurich, Brussels, and Vienna, executives said they have a unique ability to drive connecting traffic via lower cost routings and also enable passengers to hop back and forth between North America and Europe with more routing options."

He also announced dynamic pricing for M&M Award Flights.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/douggollan ... 88df192106

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SkyTourist wrote:
25 May 2019, 12:04
In an interview with Forbes, Carsten Spohr hints at maintaining a hub function for Brussels for intercontinental traffic: "With intercontinental hubs in Frankfurt, Munich, Zurich, Brussels, and Vienna, executives said they have a unique ability to drive connecting traffic via lower cost routings and also enable passengers to hop back and forth between North America and Europe with more routing options."
I think you are a bit overoptimistic here... The hub-remark wasn't a Carsten Spohr quote, but a reflection of the author. Everything LH has done so far hints at a no hub function for BRU and degrading it to just a destination, having EW planes flying customers to one of the groups hubs (FRA, MUC, ZRH and VIE).

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Conti764 wrote:
27 May 2019, 11:10
Everything LH has done so far hints at a no hub function for BRU and degrading it to just a destination, having EW planes flying customers to one of the group's hubs (FRA, MUC, ZRH and VIE).
Not exactly: the flights to LH Group hubs are carried out by the network airlines, LH to FRA and MUC, LX to ZRH, OS to VIE.
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sn26567 wrote:
27 May 2019, 11:22
Conti764 wrote:
27 May 2019, 11:10
Everything LH has done so far hints at a no hub function for BRU and degrading it to just a destination, having EW planes flying customers to one of the group's hubs (FRA, MUC, ZRH and VIE).
Not exactly: the flights to LH Group hubs are carried out by the network airlines, LH to FRA and MUC, LX to ZRH, OS to VIE.
Since when is there no flight between BRU and VIE by Brussels Airlines? (SN 2902 ? )

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Conti764 wrote:
27 May 2019, 11:10
SkyTourist wrote:
25 May 2019, 12:04
In an interview with Forbes, Carsten Spohr hints at maintaining a hub function for Brussels for intercontinental traffic: "With intercontinental hubs in Frankfurt, Munich, Zurich, Brussels, and Vienna, executives said they have a unique ability to drive connecting traffic via lower cost routings and also enable passengers to hop back and forth between North America and Europe with more routing options."
I think you are a bit overoptimistic here... The hub-remark wasn't a Carsten Spohr quote, but a reflection of the author. Everything LH has done so far hints at a no hub function for BRU and degrading it to just a destination, having EW planes flying customers to one of the groups hubs (FRA, MUC, ZRH and VIE).
Actually, today Lufthansa Group posted a video of the group airlines on Linkedin, which in fact supports SkyTourist's theory. At minute 00:30 and 2:06, BRU is mentioned as one of the five hubs with FRA, MUC, ZRH and VIE being the others.

Are we perhaps witnessing a glimpse of a strategy shift?

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