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Future long haul destinations Brussels Airport

Post by Atlantis » 12 Sep 2018, 18:59

Léon Verhallen gave an interview with Luchtvaartnieuws Magazine.

Primera Air is for Brussels Airport the new segment which was not available yet: LC long haul.
It is a message to UA and SN who are not expanding further at BRU. UA is expanding at AMS and other European airports, but not at BRU while they had the intention to open an evening NY flight.
But if not they, others will fill this gap. It is very clear that Primera Air will receive carte blanche.

Further more on the wish list. Destinations which we know already and most likely, Singapore by Singapore Airlines will be the next new one. It's only a matter of time and probably of new type aircraft they are receiving.

Seoul, Taipei, other Chinese destinations, Johannesburg, Los Angeles, San Fransisco and San Paulo are all very high on the list.

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Post by Flanker3 » 13 Sep 2018, 03:15

BRU should encourage JL to come with their new LCC subsidiary and to 5th freedom to GRU.
This should work very well.

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Post by JOVAN » 14 Sep 2018, 16:04

Some Latin American destinations would also be interesting: MEXICO City, BOGOTA, SANTIAGO de CHILE, PANAMA...
Latin America has an imortant Middle Class now; this people want to travel.
Europe is by far the dream destination (after they have visited Miami, NY, etc.

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Post by Atlantis » 14 Sep 2018, 17:19

More destinations in India would be also welcome; On AI we can't rely as it will take too long and also LH will never approve this as they work close with them.
SN will probably deploy more in Africa.
The only one who I see deploying more from India is Indigo Air. As next year the first LC long haul will start, they are maybe also more willing and can connect some two extra Indian destinations.

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Post by lucas » 14 Sep 2018, 18:08

Atlantis wrote:
14 Sep 2018, 17:19
More destinations in India would be also welcome; On AI we can't rely as it will take too long and also LH will never approve this as they work close with them.
SN will probably deploy more in Africa.
The only one who I see deploying more from India is Indigo Air. As next year the first LC long haul will start, they are maybe also more willing and can connect some two extra Indian destinations.
I remember to have read a few months ago that CRL was mentioned as a future A330 detination of IndiGo.

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Post by Ansett » 15 Sep 2018, 17:40

JOVAN wrote:
14 Sep 2018, 16:04
Some Latin American destinations would also be interesting: MEXICO City, BOGOTA, SANTIAGO de CHILE, PANAMA...
Latin America has an imortant Middle Class now; this people want to travel.
Europe is by far the dream destination (after they have visited Miami, NY, etc.
You are (partially) right. Latin-Americans, after having been to Miami, NYC... and Orlando, dream of going to Europe. But for the vast majority of them, Europe means Paris, London, Rome, possibly Amsterdam, Madrid, Barcelona. Thanks to the Red Devils, many of them now know a bit more about Belgium, but it is not really on their wish list. So, I'm not too optimistic about Latin-American carriers coming to BRU, especially if SN (as possible code share partner) will become a point-to-point airline in Europe and will not offer (enough) connections to other European destinations.

As to Leon Verhallen mentioning Sao Paulo, well Brasil was still booming a few years ago. Now, it's a mess, both politically and economically. The real, the national currency, has nearly lost one third of its value, so most Brazilians can no longer afford to travel to the US or Europe.

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Post by Conti764 » 16 Sep 2018, 15:31

Atlantis wrote:
12 Sep 2018, 18:59
Léon Verhallen gave an interview with Luchtvaartnieuws Magazine.

Primera Air is for Brussels Airport the new segment which was not available yet: LC long haul.
It is a message to UA and SN who are not expanding further at BRU. UA is expanding at AMS and other European airports, but not at BRU while they had the intention to open an evening NY flight.
But if not they, others will fill this gap. It is very clear that Primera Air will receive carte blanche.

Further more on the wish list. Destinations which we know already and most likely, Singapore by Singapore Airlines will be the next new one. It's only a matter of time and probably of new type aircraft they are receiving.

Seoul, Taipei, other Chinese destinations, Johannesburg, Los Angeles, San Fransisco and San Paulo are all very high on the list.
Well, there is nothing wrong with dreaming I'd say ;)

I honestly don't see what BRU would have to offer to those airlines to start a route. In due time no connecting options anymore and a rather limited O&D market. Some government traffic maybe, but only to select destinations...

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Post by Ansett » 16 Sep 2018, 17:14

No, there is absolutely nothing wrong with dreaming. ;)

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Post by Atlantis » 18 Sep 2018, 12:28

As SN/LH decided to axe Mumbai from the SN network, there is no connection anymore from BRU with India.
This makes free space for a new carrier on this route. Let's hope that Indigo or an other one can fill this gap

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Post by ZavCity » 18 Sep 2018, 12:52

Indigo might be interested now to fly to BRU instead of CRL..(eventually!)
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Post by sn26567 » 18 Sep 2018, 18:46

Atlantis wrote:
18 Sep 2018, 12:28
As SN/LH decided to axe Mumbai from the SN network...
I talked to Frédéric Paepe, the SN Director of Flight Operations this afternoon. LH didn't decide anything. SN took the decision independently: the route has never been profitable.
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Post by travellover » 19 Sep 2018, 13:06

Atlantis wrote:
12 Sep 2018, 18:59
Léon Verhallen gave an interview with Luchtvaartnieuws Magazine.

Further more on the wish list. Destinations which we know already and most likely, Singapore by Singapore Airlines will be the next new one. It's only a matter of time and probably of new type aircraft they are receiving.
Another interview.
Lim Ching Kiat, managing director of air hub development at Changi Airport Group, tells Routesonline about the airport's network hopes. 17 September 2018
"CAG is keen to explore direct links to Brussels, Madrid, Oslo, and Vienna – all of which have strong origin-destination demand with Singapore and the wider Southeast Asia and Southwest Pacific regions."

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... nd-vienna/
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Post by Ansett » 19 Sep 2018, 23:29

As far as I can remember (correct me if I'm wrong), SN launched flights to BOM and to YYZ to fill the gap left by Jetairways.
I never was optimistic about these flights for the following reasons :
- they did not operate daily ; if you want to attract high yield pax, business travellers, you must go daily on routes with quite a lot of competion via other hubs ;
- to fill the gap left by Jetairways on BOM-YYZ v.v. you needed to offer better connections, ideally around two hours and not three and a half hours, which is not competitive for high yield pax ; with such connection times you only go for low yield pax and you are lucky if they book SN, because the competition has probalby similar fares with better connections, or you fly, indeed, always making a loss because of fares that are too low and don't even allow you to break even.
Moreover, Toronto
Too bad !

As to Indian high yield pax, I have been told they love to fly more "glamorous airlines" like, for instance, LX, which offers a connection time in ZRH of 1h30 min ! even if they might be more expensive (don't know if it's true, but could very well be).

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Post by Ansett » 19 Sep 2018, 23:40

In addition, Toronto does not attract a lot of tourists and VFR pax in winter, and BOM the same during the monsoon period. So, you must aim at high yield pax and as a newcomer on the market, you need to have an outstanding offer, which SN did not have. CS might have had a point saying there is no brand recognition. And I will add : no outstanding offer from SN. This could have been improved with a little help from our German "friends", but they preferred an easier solution, which I can also understand (for once !).

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