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Re: Ryanair in 2018

Post by luchtzak » 09 Oct 2018, 19:58

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Re: Ryanair in 2018

Post by ostair » 09 Oct 2018, 20:58

A few weeks ago Belgium was only a small country for Mr MoL with crazy trade unions...
Today he wants to expand and talk to the trade unions.
Is he trying to mitigate the problems Ryanair is having...
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Re: Ryanair in 2018

Post by sn26567 » 10 Oct 2018, 22:37

Ryanair announced new routes in Portugal for summer 2019, namely to Alicante, Berlin, Bordeaux, Brive, Cagliari, Clermont-Ferrand, Edinburgh, London Southend, Marrakech, Milan Bergamo, Venice and Seville.
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Re: Ryanair in 2018

Post by Passenger » 15 Oct 2018, 08:26

Could be true, could be staged:

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Re: Ryanair in 2018

Post by luchtzak » 15 Oct 2018, 09:08

I read that, definitely staged (*). Already tried lying on the floor? I can't, not even for one hour. Looking at the recent tensions between them and their management I understand the picture though.

Users on social media are questioning the explanation by COO Peter Bellew, he simply said that no hotels were available at Malaga Airport. I don't believe that, you have the entire Costa del Sol build full of hotels.

The entire story is that 6 Ryanair flights destination Porto diverted to Malaga, Ryanair is talking about 'some flights'. Most of the 800 passengers reacted furiously as - next to the lack of water and food - no information was provided during the night. My article: https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/ryan ... a-airport/

(*) Update after new information. viewtopic.php?p=373514#p373514
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Re: Ryanair in 2018

Post by Butterfly » 15 Oct 2018, 09:54

Just read a tweet from Mr Peter Bellew apologising for this "lack of accomodation". So definitely NOT staged....

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Re: Ryanair in 2018

Post by sn26567 » 15 Oct 2018, 10:01

Butterfly wrote:
15 Oct 2018, 09:54
Just read a tweet from Mr Peter Bellew apologising for this "lack of accommodation". So definitely NOT staged...
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Re: Ryanair in 2018

Post by Bracebrace » 15 Oct 2018, 11:48

The scene could be staged, but it is a fact Ryanair does not work with hotels. Their crews don't know anything and are just as stranded as their passengers... So the "picture" is 100% correct.

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Post by sean1982 » 15 Oct 2018, 13:29

Bracebrace wrote:
15 Oct 2018, 11:48
The scene could be staged, but it is a fact Ryanair does not work with hotels. Their crews don't know anything and are just as stranded as their passengers... So the "picture" is 100% correct.
Not staged at all. Ryanair's crew management in one picture that is.

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Post by luchtzak » 15 Oct 2018, 14:23

You are right, the crews finally didn't get access to the VIP lounge as that lounge was simply closed. Alex Marcheras, aviation journalist discovered.
I’ve spoken to the ‘SALA VIP’ lounge at Malaga Airport, the only lounge in the terminal, who confirmed no crew from any airline entered the lounge, and not only described it as “against lounge policy” but added “it’s also impossible, as our lounge closes at 23:00 each night, and this was the case on the night of flight disruption caused by the storms
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Re: Ryanair in 2018

Post by loginas » 15 Oct 2018, 15:10

Still if crews are unable to book a hotel themselves (off season - there are plenty) and to get to it, maybe they are not qualified (read too stupid) to work at all at any job. They are adults, they should be able to look after themselves at least a tiny bit and be able to find a bed.

This is not say Ryanair are not to blame, they definitely are.

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Re: Ryanair in 2018

Post by Bracebrace » 15 Oct 2018, 15:19

loginas wrote:
15 Oct 2018, 15:10
Still if crews are unable to book a hotel themselves (off season - there are plenty) and to get to it, maybe they are not qualified (read too stupid) to work at all at any job. They are adults, they should be able to look after themselves at least a tiny bit and be able to find a bed.
You didn't understand the remark. Booking a room is not the problem. Getting info on "if" your rest is going to start in the first place, "when" your rest starts and "when" your rest ends is the problem. Crews don't even know when they can get something to eat. Ryanair doesn't care, they leave their own crews completely in the dark, so they usually spend hours and hours waiting and waiting close or in the aircraft in these cases.

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Post by Passenger » 15 Oct 2018, 17:06

Business Insider Poland: "...Kontrola inspektorów pracy w Ryanair Sun. Badają spółkę, która ma przejąć rejsowe loty..." Google Translate says this means: "...Inspection of labor inspectors at Ryanair Sun. They are investigating a company that is to take over scheduled flights..."
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Post by TLspotting » 15 Oct 2018, 18:01

Passenger wrote:
15 Oct 2018, 17:06
Business Insider Poland: "...Kontrola inspektorów pracy w Ryanair Sun. Badają spółkę, która ma przejąć rejsowe loty..." Google Translate says this means: "...Inspection of labor inspectors at Ryanair Sun. They are investigating a company that is to take over scheduled flights..."
https://businessinsider.com.pl/firmy/ko ... cy/bhlhlrm
No właśnie... (one of the only words I know :lol:)

That seems so logical. Poland is just a country where people need low cost flights, and Ryanair goes there...
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Re: Ryanair in 2018

Post by sn26567 » 15 Oct 2018, 23:20

Ryanair will close its base in Ibiza during winter 2018/19, due to the airline not operating under Spanish labour law.
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Re: Ryanair in 2018

Post by sean1982 » 16 Oct 2018, 09:42

loginas wrote:
15 Oct 2018, 15:10
Still if crews are unable to book a hotel themselves (off season - there are plenty) and to get to it, maybe they are not qualified (read too stupid) to work at all at any job. They are adults, they should be able to look after themselves at least a tiny bit and be able to find a bed.

This is not say Ryanair are not to blame, they definitely are.
That's not how crewing/operations work. Legally they can't do that as they wouldn't be covered by insurance in the first place, secondly they wouldn't know what their sign off time and sign on time would be to comply with EASA's FTL scheme. Your post doesn't make sense.

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Re: Ryanair in 2018

Post by luchtzak » 16 Oct 2018, 09:45

PRESS RELEASE


Following the publication of a photo on social media, which became viral achieving hundreds of views across the world, SNPVAC would like to clarify that the photo illustrates what happened on Saturday night, 13th October, when 4 Ryanair flights having Porto as their destination were diverted due to the tropical thunderstorm ‘Leslie’ that caused the Porto airport to close operations for a few hours.

The airport chosen by Ryanair for those 4 aircraft to land was Malaga.

Upon arrival to Malaga airport, the 24 crew (8 pilots and 16 cabin crew) were placed in a room, without the minimum rest facilities, where the Crew that are based on that airport perform their briefings and where Ryanair has their Malaga offices.

The 24 crew members were there since 01h30 until 06:00 (local time) without access to food, drinks and even a place to sit down, as there were only 8 seats available for the 24 crew.

They had no other choice, as the photo illustrates, than to attempt to rest on the room’s floor.

Around 06h00 the 24 Crew members were placed in the airport lounge, where they stayed for more than 4 hours but still with no access to food or drinks.

We point out that, in these situations, it is the legal responsibility of the Airline to provide suitable accommodation, namely a hotel room, so that crew can perform their rest under the national and European legal requirements, in order to be able to operate the following duty safely.

At 13h35 (local) Ryanair decided to perform a non-commercial flight (without passengers but with all 24 crew members on board) to Porto, where it landed at 13h40 (Portuguese time), over 24 hours after the original report time, without any adequate rest.

It is regrettable and inconceivable that, in the 21st century, we observe this kind of events where we can verify that Ryanair operates without any respect for their employees and their customers, who were also left stranded in the airport terminal, in the highly regulated aviation sector.

SNPVAC will produce a formal complaint to all the relevant civil aviation authorities and we expect an urgent and robust intervention so that events like this won’t happen again.

This episode also demonstrates the reasons that took the workers in Ryanair to an industrial dispute and, if there were any doubts, everyone can witness the way Ryanair treats their customers and employees.


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Re: Ryanair in 2018

Post by Ozzie1969 » 16 Oct 2018, 11:01

luchtzak wrote:
15 Oct 2018, 09:08
I read that, definitely staged (*). Already tried lying on the floor?
I take it you were never in the army?

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Re: Ryanair in 2018

Post by luchtzak » 16 Oct 2018, 11:03

Ozzie1969 wrote:
16 Oct 2018, 11:01
luchtzak wrote:
15 Oct 2018, 09:08
I read that, definitely staged (*). Already tried lying on the floor?
I take it you were never in the army?
No but I have children ;-)

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Re: Ryanair in 2018

Post by Butterfly » 16 Oct 2018, 15:16

sn26567 wrote:
15 Oct 2018, 10:01
Butterfly wrote:
15 Oct 2018, 09:54
Just read a tweet from Mr Peter Bellew apologising for this "lack of accommodation". So definitely NOT staged...
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