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Ansett wrote:
25 Dec 2018, 19:34
As to the engines problems with SN's SFU, we have to wait for the conclusion of the inquiry, if we want to remain serious. First conclusion, if I may, the pilots did a good job. Would pax have noticed anything ?
Why do you conclude the pilots did a good job?
I am not saying they didn’t, but a flame out Is the indication of serious problems, even after a successful relight the only sensible option is land at the nearest suitable airport, unless the cause of the flame out has been clearly identified and doesn’t exist anymore.
If Brussels was the nearest suitable airport the pilots did a good job, if it wasn’t they are in serious trouble.

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Remember that in 2001 an Air Transat A330 successfully landed at the Azores after both engines ran out of fuel. Thus it was maybe not a bad decision to continue to Brussels with both engines running normally.
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sn26567 wrote:
26 Dec 2018, 17:22
Remember that in 2001 an Air Transat A330 successfully landed at the Azores after both engines ran out of fuel. Thus it was maybe not a bad decision to continue to Brussels with both engines running normally.
Like that should even be a consideration when weighing your options. :roll:

I wonder what the reactions would have been if the tail was blue/yellow

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I have to concur here: an engine's malfunctioning is a serious indication of serious trouble. Even if the engine seemingly returns to normal operation, nothing guarantees the return is permanent. So landing as soon as reasonably possible is the recommended course of action.

And BTW I am not a professional aviator, only the merest amateur, so I am not aware of the exact ETOPS regulations but I'll bet* you a hard-boiled egg against a grand piano such action is mandatory. There is a reason that four-engined is the basic rule, and ETOPS is the exception, even today.

The Air Transat A330 was exceptionally lucky - not a basis for subsequent decisions.

*the bet formula is copyright Mr. Gil Jourdan :)
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sn26567 wrote:
26 Dec 2018, 17:22
Remember that in 2001 an Air Transat A330 successfully landed at the Azores after both engines ran out of fuel. Thus it was maybe not a bad decision to continue to Brussels with both engines running normally.
They have been very lucky indeed, since the captain opened the crossfeed valve during flight, ....clearly a mistake in this fuel leaking case!

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According to FR 24 OO-SFU performed SN601 BRU-BOM yesterday. Is that right?

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Boeing767copilot wrote:
27 Dec 2018, 18:27
According to FR 24 OO-SFU performed SN601 BRU-BOM yesterday. Is that right?
Seems to be a glitch.

Yesterday 26DEC, OO-SFU was announced on FR24 to perform the SN601 to BOM indeed but she appears to have been powered up and breath some fresh air in front of hangar 41 only for 2 hours, between 1425z and 1639z.

According to Flightstats.com, OO-SFZ was planned for that service, then Golf, then Charlie. And indeed FR24 shows OO-SFC to perform the return flight from BOM.

According to FR24, SFU is planned for the BOM service of 29DEC.

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Boeing767copilot wrote:
27 Dec 2018, 18:27
Is that right?
even mid-flight, they had an altitude and ground speed of 0, so I'm pretty sure where OO-SFU is for the moment :D
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jan_olieslagers wrote:
26 Dec 2018, 17:48
so I am not aware of the exact ETOPS regulations
neither am I, but pretty sure that ETOPS had nothing to do with it (only crossing the Med.sea). And OO-SFU, leaving Tunisian airspace, flew nicely along Sardinia and Corsica, so never more than about 100 miles away from a suitable diversion alternate.
But whether this was the best option, is for those in the knowing to decide.

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What about their future J & W A330 seat choice ?

I've heard the Thompson Vantage XL had the edge, but nothing really new since then.

Other rumours suggest that Lufthansa is slowing down the decision process in order not to trail SN in terms of hard-product.

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OO-SFU has returned from a test flight above The Netherlands.
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Darjeeling wrote:
28 Dec 2018, 14:40
Other rumours suggest that Lufthansa is slowing down the decision process in order not to trail SN in terms of hard-product.
Nope. New seats need to be certified, and it seems that the certification process takes more time than expected.
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The conclusion of the inquiry: contaminated kerosene

https://m.hln.be/nieuws/binnenland/onzu ... ~ab6f2d0f/

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Boeing767copilot wrote:
28 Dec 2018, 22:29
The conclusion of the inquiry: contaminated kerosene

https://m.hln.be/nieuws/binnenland/onzu ... ~ab6f2d0f/
In English: https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... 30-oo-sfu/

There was also an IT issue for the left engine!
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sn26567 wrote:
29 Dec 2018, 00:03
There was also an IT issue for the left engine!
Contaminated fuel is know as a cause of engine electronic malfunctions.

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sn26567 wrote:
28 Dec 2018, 16:24
Darjeeling wrote:
28 Dec 2018, 14:40
Other rumours suggest that Lufthansa is slowing down the decision process in order not to trail SN in terms of hard-product.
Nope. New seats need to be certified, and it seems that the certification process takes more time than expected.
...well let's rather say that this is what the internal communication dept of SN says of it. ;)

I've rarely seen an airline choosing a seat that isn't yet certified but that still is for sale on the market. :?

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Poiu wrote:
29 Dec 2018, 00:49
sn26567 wrote:
29 Dec 2018, 00:03
There was also an IT issue for the left engine!
Contaminated fuel is know as a cause of engine electronic malfunctions.
Can you explain a bit more?
Thanks

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Desert Rat wrote:
29 Dec 2018, 21:04
Poiu wrote:
29 Dec 2018, 00:49
sn26567 wrote:
29 Dec 2018, 00:03
There was also an IT issue for the left engine!
Contaminated fuel is know as a cause of engine electronic malfunctions.
Can you explain a bit more?
Thanks
One of the most documented cases is a CX A330 with P&W engines who had electronic problems on both engines after tanking contaminated fuel.
https://www.cad.gov.hk/reports/2%20Fina ... pliant.pdf

Chances of having two, unrelated engine problems on the same flight are as slim as winning the lottery 5 times in a row.

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brussels airlines accelerates last SuperJet service to Jan 2019

brussels airlines in mid-December 2018 modified operation for its leased SuperJet SSJ100 aircraft from CityJet, which saw the last flight accelerated to the first week of January 2019, instead of late-March 2019.

Planned last Sukhoi SuperJet SSJ100 operation as follow.

Brussels – Basel/Mulhouse last flight 04JAN19
Brussels – Birmingham last flight 31DEC18
Brussels – Billund Overall last flight on 07JAN19, departing Billund
Brussels – Bologna last flight 06JAN19
Brussels – Krakow last flight 06JAN19
Brussels – Milan Malpensa last flight 04JAN19

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... uary-2019/

Source: Jim Liu in Routesonline
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CRJ 1000 is not the best aircraft to replace the SSJ. I hope it's only for a short period while waiting for Embraer 90 or...Airbus A220? Let us dream...

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